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Womb With a View
By DoktorGreen.Sorcery
I will begin by saying I am a dreamer.
I have been a prolific dreamer since
age 12.
Recently, I met a woman who claimed
to channel 2 entities. She was a very beautiful person, so I
decided to ask her permission to dream with her. She agreed.
As I told her, in dreaming I would be able to perceive her deepest
motives and judge for myself the value of the energies she was
interacting with (if any).
Via a specific method, using the
energetic strand of emotion established in our physical meeting,
I was able to find her in my dreaming. She was in a layer where
I dream often. Here's what I learned. In order to understand
the value to an individual of an external energy, the individual
must be aware of his own energy.
At the moment of conception, a life
begins. At that time, the new life emits a specific vibration.
This frequency, or vibration, is a unique combination of the
two persons involved. It is unique, because the frequency established
is relative to the state of awareness the two persons hold at
the moment it is created. (Note that we all have an extremely
large frequency range.) Once a life force begins, the feminine
energy takes over. The powerful vortex of the womb gathers in
the fibers that will compose a soul. These fibers are coalesced
and an individual emerges. Then the feminine magic continues.
It collects the energy necessary to establish each of the layers
of the cocoon; the energy body. While this is occurring, she
spins the energies and builds the vortexes and meridians. Now
comes the easy part! The feminine power commits the cells and
builds the human body. I watched this process!
Thus, I was able to grasp that the
usefulness of a particular energetic frequency is relative to
an individual's unique frequency. I needed the full picture
to understand. Regarding my friend, I learned that she did not
interact with energies that were useful for my path. She was
unable to interact in dreaming and did not have enough personal
energy to bring her awareness there. The so-called energies
that she channeled were entities.
One was within a common band. The
other was darker (for me). Now, for someone else they may have
been more beneficial. We all consume energies that are finer
than our own, in an effort to transform ourselves. We also feed
energies more coarse than our own, in an effort to transform
them. The revelation for me from this dream was that everything
is relative to the individual in their current state. No one
can or should determine what is good or bad for another, because
no one knows the 'momentary state' of another. Instead we might
celebrate every revelation we witness! While this doesn't seem
so profound, I experienced it. Its knowledge.
Oh, and one more thing. The power
of the womb is beyond all other human capabilities, bar none!
It is a literal highway to the inner self and higher worlds.
Call Me Den:
I was concerned
about where you were going with this and if you were going to
cross boundaries of privacy and civility. You proved my concerns
baseless. This was an interesting experience/post and your abilities
in dreaming are impressive. Thank you for sharing this fine
post. I hope to see more from you. CinnamonMoon:
Thank you Dok, in
indigenous teachings it is said "All things are born of
woman" (I take that to mean the Sacred Feminine) and this
is based on the Sacred Masculine that conceives with her, fertilizes
and then later protects her and all she brings forth. Your vision
was lovely, and yes, by experiencing it then became your knowledge.
The only thing lacking in your description is the choice of
the spirit coming in...it's frequency vibration well established
there would then be enhancement by the parents. Were you shown
that aspect too?
I do not know the
author but agree wholeheartedly with the quote: “The female
being has been chosen by the creator to be the portal between
the spiritual realm and this physical realm. The only force
on earth powerful enough to navigate unborn spirits onto this
planet, so tell me…why do we not treat her as such?”
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
CinnamonMoon wrote: “"The
only thing lacking in your description is the choice of the
spirit coming in...it's frequency vibration well established
there would then be enhancement by the parents. Were you shown
that aspect too?" I was not shown any part of a spiritual
essence before incarnation. In fact, because that was not a
part of the experience, I have sought further knowledge regarding
the "individual" before accepting form. At this point,
I still have no evidence that such exists. It may be that all
aspects of individuality and separate experience come only within
the incarnation. I have engaged many entities, both formed and
formless, but this is not evidence of a surviving soul. These
entities are also incarnated. I have also interacted with shells
and shadows of humans that have passed. This also is not evidence
of a surviving or pre-existing soul. These shells/shadows are
simply the fading layers of the energy body that have not yet
ceased. They do have memory and sometimes intellect, but I have
seen them fade and pass over time. Thus I cannot say whether
a separate soul exists. Outside time and space, these concepts
lose their attraction and potential validity...
CinnamonMoon:
Hello Dok, Sorry to keep
you waiting. I'm not sure there is going to be evidence that
there is an 'individual' before incarnation on the physical
side of things. That's long been debated. However the spirits
have been seen by indigenous Medicine People hovering around
the mother as she gives birth and entering in through the crown
chakra of the of the child. You might want to explore that aspect
in your research. I do believe in the pre-existing soul, that's
part of my sacred point of view. I am curious however, about
your last statement and why you feel the way you do.
….“Outside time and space,
these concepts lose their attraction and potential validity.”…Why
do you say this?
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
CinnamonMoon wrote: “Hello
Dok, Sorry to keep you waiting. I'm not sure there is going
to be evidence that there is an 'individual' before incarnation
on the physical side of things.”
I completely agree. However, I have
long relied on the personal experiences I have as a day/night
dreamer. As such, I still have no internal evidence of an individual
existing at any point outside incarnation.
“That's long been debated. However
the spirits have been seen by indigenous Medicine People hovering
around the mother as she gives birth and entering in through
the crown chakra of the of the child. You might want to explore
that aspect in your research.”
Yes. I have also heard this. As I
relayed earlier, my experience shows the spiritual body, along
with the other sheathes being created before the physical form.
While this spiritual sheathe is quite profound and powerful,
it is still a sheathe, as I have seen it.
I do believe in the pre-existing
soul, that's part of my sacred point of view. I am curious however,
about your last statement and why you feel the way you do….
“Outside time and space, these concepts lose their attraction
and potential validity...”…Why do you say this?”
There are many layers, or bands of form. These layers all have
some sort of natural law that includes space and time. These
laws vary, based on the frequency range. However, beyond form,
beyond time, and beyond the individual are many more layers!
When one finally drops the "self", one becomes/experiences
totality. This experience negates all the concerns of the lessor
realms, as one is all life. The individual cannot go there,
because it is beyond the dual realms. In these layers, there
is no "observer" and "observed"; only one.
I have shed the Self several times. Life does not stop. There
was no concern for the "Self" I abandoned. The integrity
of awareness remains! Oneness imposes the true intent: consume,
expand, and transform. Thus the discussion of items within time
and space are only relative to these layers of friction. We
have this tendency to view things from our imposed programming,
meaning that we apply all that we have been taught here to our
opinions of life beyond here. Ultimately, one must leave the
self behind. It is composed of the energies and experiences
of time and space. As such, it cannot move outside those boundaries.
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
Men wear "war paint",
meaning they must seek confirmation outside themselves via forays
into the other realms and lessons acquired in this realm. Women
wear "birthing paint". They can go directly to the
higher self and bring knowledge back. They need no go-between.
Women can enter the vortex of their own womb and experience
the world from a much greater perspective. And it is easier
than the path a man takes. Obviously, most women have no idea
that this connection exists. too bad. We need them. “Once
a life force begins, the feminine energy takes over. The powerful
vortex of the womb gathers in the fibers that will compose a
soul. These fibers are coalesced and an individual emerges.
Then the feminine magic continues. It collects the energy necessary
to establish each of the layers of the cocoon; the energy body.
While this is occurring, she spins the energies and builds the
vortexes and meridians. Now comes the easy part! The feminine
power commits the cells and builds the human body. I watched
this process! “I agree that physical life begins at conception,
but not the soul. That is just my opinion, based purely on my
own experiences. In my experience there has been a soul before
birth waiting for a body. In my case 'she' was reluctant to
take up my invitation for me to create her a physical form and
I miscarried a month later. Since then I've seen her in dreams,
but not awake experience. I do sometimes "see dead people"
awake, but not her... perhaps because she never was connected
to a body in life? I don't know.”
I respect your opinions. We differ
here in our experiences. “Seeing dead people is not something
I do often, but it has happened enough for me to say that, in
my experiences, there is a difference between energy beings
and souls. But that is purely a subjective opinion based on
my perception of reality. I tend to believe there are as many
true realities as there are people. But back to souls and energy
beings - they come through quite different for me. I hadn't
thought about that till now, so I owe you a thank you for making
me think deeper on this difference. How to define the difference?
Well, for me the only dead folk who get through come via love
- either because they are people I feel love for or because
I am connected to them via love from other sources - such as
when a friend's grandfather showed up in my kitchen. Without
the link of love I cannot connect to souls.” I have connected
with the shadows of my passed loved ones, too! In the case of
my grandfather, it went on for nearly 7 years. Then on the last
encounter, I watched him unravel and burst into a million dots
that shot in every direction. It was certainly a link of love
that connected us. The emotional shell can continue for decades,
depending on the emotional strength at the time of passing.
Here is something that you might try. When you encounter an
entity that you think might be an energy generating entity,
point both index fingers at them. If they fade away, it was
only a shadow (and a wonderful experience). If they clarify
and continue to present a form, you are dealing with a real
entity.
DragonHawk:
Hey
Dok, “Men wear "war paint", meaning they must
seek confirmation outside themselves via forays into the other
realms and lessons acquired in this realm.”
Confirmation
of what? i.e. “confirmation” implies that the male
has received something and is seeking confirmation of it outside
himself – so how, in your opinion, does the male receive
that “something” that he is seeking “confirmation”
about?
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
DragonHawk, I share here
what I have been taught, as well as my experiences. Women confirm
that they have higher awareness via going within and creating.
They make life. They bring it here. They can use that natural
process as a process of becoming. Men confirm their higher self
and more through a process of action. This involves interacting
with other entities, other realms, and lessons which lead to
actually experiencing higher frequencies. We must act. In both
cases we confirm that we are the higher self and more. We then
live from that position and direct our lives from an exponentially
broader perspective. But that's not all. Becoming the higher
self is not a means to make our physical life easier... it is
a step towards fulfilling our spiritual destiny, of which this
world is only a fraction!
DragonHawk:
Dok,
Confirmation of what? ie “confirmation” implies that
the male has received something and is seeking confirmation
of it outside himself – so how, in your opinion, does the
male receive that “something” that he is seeking “confirmation”
about?
I understand
what you are saying. I'm just interested in learning where you
believe the impetus for the male to act comes from. In some
traditions you have the interplay between the masculine and
feminine - and in that respect what you speak of here with regards
to the womb - as a vessel to receive the impetus and bring that
energy forward in terms of life - but also as a vessel of transition
between worlds I understand: I also understand what you are
saying about the masculine as you answered and as a guy I have
experienced that searching outwith = both in the physical and
in other realms. If I’ve understood you correctly, that
impetus would come via the womb in the female – I’m
just curious as to where you believe that impetus to search
comes from in the male?
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
Hi DragonHawk, The motivation
/ impetus comes from the same place for both genders, IMO (The
methods differ). It comes from the fact that we are probes of
energy, sent forth from higher domains with the mission to expand
and transform those domains. The nature of all life is to "consume,
expand, and transform. We feel that and strive for that in our
'individuated self'; a reflection of our true nature as probes
of the Source. Our goal is to "consume" lower energies,
"expand" the light into darkness, and consciously
"transform" our awareness. By doing this, we expand
those higher domains. We are conquerors of friction. Warriors
confronting duality. If you are looking for a male counterpart
to the womb re interacting with higher energies, my experience
says it is the will, which is centered at the solar plexus.
Dok
MonSnoLeeDra:
Perhaps
I am out in left field here but I "feel" something
is being missed or ignored here. The celestial womb is a place
male or females can enter and experience. It's recorded throughout
history as the celestial egg, the birthing waters or any number
of other names. Where it differs to me is that male and female
each have a differing way of entering and connecting with its
energies. Yet the conflict seems to derive from this sense of
something being easier for one therefor disconnecting the other
from it, if not disconnecting then lessening it for another.
Women naturally can enter it by turning inwards into their own
feminine energies. As carriers of life and the seed of life
they hold a continual gateway to the celestial womb. As they
mature and experience their natural cycle it brings them closer
to the vibration and pulse of the celestial womb. A fact that
seems to imply an easier task of stepping into that current.
Yet that sense of ease also associated to being bathed in its
currents all their lives so it’s not an unusual or unknown
energy to them. What I do find interesting though is that a
girl child is as far away from it as an aged grandmother who
has long since passed her ability to conceive. A fact also supported
in many systems, for instance look to Artemis who guides girls
to the state of passing into womanhood then accepts them back
as they pass again into an almost virginal state. Yet as males
from the moment of birth we are separated from that vibration
and pulse. We carry echoes of it within our bodies and spiritual
memories but it is forever after an unknown or unusual signature
to us. Like so memory it calls to us and clings to us but we
struggle to connect it and remember it. In many ways more difficult
for us to connect to for we must experience a symbolic stepping
or passing through the womb into life. we might do this via
stepping through a gateway tree which reminds us of that birth
passage. we can experience it indirectly via the sexual act
for at that moment we are bathed in both the current and vibration
of the inward flow and outward flow of our combined energies.
In
some ways just as a female passes from virginal innocence to
womanhood then back again so too
does a male. In antiquity young males co-raised and equal, to
use Artemis again it was not uncommon for male children to be
part of her following. Like the females we pass into a point
where we are separated from that memory and its vibrations.
Eventually arriving at the point where like the grand-mother's
we as grand-father's pass back to a point where we are no so
far removed from those vibrations and currents. Our warrior
aspect tamed and controlled to a degree which allows us to re-connect
to the feminine and internal movements of our energies. Of course
there is nothing to say the Contrary within society does not
experience things from the perspective of its opposite. Thus
any statement that one is better able to do so fails before
it. But like I said I might just be out in left field here and
have it all wrong, which I accept as a possible conclusion.
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
Interesting comments, but
very alien to me. What, exactly, is the celestial womb? Do you
have a personal description?
I'm kind of odd... I see chakras
as entities, seven or nine sometimes. It depends on the person
I'm viewing. I don't view much, it can be draining - related
to that energy taking you describe. I used to connect too much,
too quickly. At this stage I'm in slight avoidance mode, I suppose.
Still learning how to keep myself intact and observe without
sending out ripples. Anyway.. point being I don't see vortexes
or spheres - I see bats, cats, trolls, sometimes spheres with
worlds within them... it depends on the person. "The womb
is not a chakra.", my female mentor said. I can only say
that I have seen the filaments of energy from/through the womb
as it manifested life. I have nothing like that. One of her
tasks for the females in her circle was to find a natural stone
with a hole through it. Then sleep with it in a pouch around
the waist. Find the stone in dreaming and enter the hole. This
is supposed to be a womb activation process.
Just hearsay; take it for what it’s
worth, but the results described by the acolytes were compelling...”
Ahhh, ok. I'm more with you now. I know about the stone with
a hole, I came across that in Celtic beliefs. That was a long
time ago and I don't remember all of it. My opinion tends to
be that each culture uses what helps them to focus. I'm still
not convinced it's the womb that matters as much as the power
these woman gave the womb in their belief system. Sort of a
"walk on water" kind of thing - I think it is the
personal belief that holds the power rather than the item or
organ. Intent? Not exactly. Faith? Not on its own. Interestingly..
you summed it up better than I have with... “It's about
your intention. I asked my male mentor the same question and
he said "Because it works."
It works for me every time and I expect it to work. It will
work for you!” Exactly! My womb is a mess, physically.
Destroyed by two decades of health issues. Wondering what that
would signify to the system you're describing. Would the physical
state matter and... is the detruction somehow symbolic? It took
me 40 odd years to realize I am extremely maternal. Even as
a teen, I "mothered" people, animals, etc. And yet,
all those decades, I never saw myself at all. Now my physical
"female" body has completely been destroyed I finally
can see how strongly feminine and maternal I was and still am.
It was an insight that hit hard this year. Clarity and grief
and peace. Just thinking how that would relate to a womb being
something we view through. Rambling a bit. I do that!
DragonHawk:
OK,
I'd be interested to here you views on the male receptor being
the will as it strikes me that will is an over-riding faculty
common to both male and female - but I don't want to take your
original discussion off topic so perhaps this isn’t the
thread? Perhaps, if/when you have the time, you could start
a similar thread in the Sacred Masculine? Or would that be making
an arbitrary distinction? One thing that is pertinent to this
thread, for me, is the lack of definition of terms making it
difficult for me to interact on the wider topic: you said in
your opening thread that the woman channeled entities - but
later said that she did not channel "so-called energies"
but entities, which, by later posts, could have form or be formless
and/or incarnate. Terms such as soul, spiritual sheathe are
also found.
It strikes
me that some of these terms are essentially similar - descriptors
that accentuate difference of the same existence at different
energy levels/frequencies according (to use your terminology)
to the level of friction that that existence meets at the different
frequencies: frequencies presumably created by the differing
levels of friction? I can't help but feel it would be simpler
(and avoid confusion) to describe that existence in one term
but reference the different frequencies it encounters. In common
usage those different frequencies would be described as "worlds".
I agree that we exist at many frequencies and so, in my way
of looking at things, in many worlds simultaneously, but we
are only consciously aware of the world we call physical existence
or the mundane. Through our spiritual Journey we can access
different worlds: but we would be the same existence in those
different worlds: our ability to inhabit those worlds consciously
to a lesser or great degree would be dependent on our ability
to comprehend those worlds as we progress on our Journey.
MonSnoLeeDra:
DoktorGreen
wrote: “Interesting comments, but very alien to me. What,
exactly, is the celestial womb? Do you have a personal description?”
Dok, the Celestial Womb is that place outside of time and space
where all things are birthed and become one with the time, place
and energy they are to be born into and made of. It's typically
seen as the eternal mother in many ways for it is compared to
Gaia or other primordial mother spirits. It's the place where
though, form and desire and need are instilled into the un-formatted
essence
of the void and given an identity. I suppose in a basic sense
its that place where identity takes shape and form becomes reality
before being created or manifested upon the physical. It's like
I have a memory of a time and place where all I was aware of
was me. I was not a person or thing just an self-aware essence
waiting to be birthed into the current body I now possess and
inhabit. I vaguely recall being conceived and formed in my mother's
womb (I'm in my 50's now so that memory fades a bit more with
each passing year) then being born into this life as a male
child. Yet I also have memories of the womb that I think are
passed via the lingering energy and vibration of my mother's
life force which contains echoes and memories of all things
that have been conveyed through my female ancestry up to the
point of being born.
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
DragonHawk wrote: “Dok,
I'd be interested to here you views on the male receptor being
the will as it strikes me that will is an over-riding faculty
common to both male and female - but I don't want to take your
original discussion off topic so perhaps this isn’t the
thread? Perhaps, if/when you have the time, you could start
a similar thread in the Sacred Masculine? Or would that be making
an arbitrary distinction?” Maybe. You could start that
discussion, if you have interest in that area. I'm sure others
will comment as well. “One thing that is pertinent to this
thread, for me, is the lack of definition of terms making it
difficult for me to interact on the wider topic: you said in
your opening thread that the woman channeled entities - but
later said that she did not channel "so-called energies"
but entities, which, by later posts, could have form or be formless
and/or incarnate. Terms such as soul, spiritual sheathe are
also found. It strikes me that some of these terms are essentially
similar - descriptors that accentuate difference of the same
existence at different energy levels/frequencies according (to
use your terminology) to the level of friction that that existence
meets at the different frequencies: frequencies presumably created
by the differing levels of friction?”
Sorry for the confusion. I do have
specific terms, but I find more understanding when I use common
terms. Energies may be entities, but not necessarily. A frequency
is a world or realm. It can also be an intent, a layer, a position
of awareness, and more. It is a filament of the Source. As such
it may be pure, or it may be an expression of Intent in these
dual worlds of form. Frequencies are the filamentary substance
of spirit that compose everything, in all layers up to the Source.
“Through our spiritual Journey we can access different
worlds: but we would be the same existence in those different
worlds: our ability to inhabit those worlds consciously to a
lesser or great degree would be dependent on our ability to
comprehend those worlds as we progress on our Journey.”
Here I can speak clearly. We have many lives going on in this
moment. We can become aware of them, but they are not the same
as this one. WE are not the same. The existence and environment
are not the same. Upon assuming the cloak of another life, we
assume that life; memories, associations, goals, etc. We do
retain awareness as the higher self-inhabiting that body temporarily.
We do the same thing here once we realize our higher self. We
become the higher self and assume the cloak of this life.
MonSnoLeeDra, I see what you are
describing. It is familiar to me, but I never called it anything.
Like a spiritual egg of identity! I have seen this collected
by the womb, drawing many filaments into an egg shape. Lots
of swirling and spinning! It is at the very edge of duality;
not within space, but not outside space.
LadyRoseRed:
This
has turned into such an interesting discussion. I've quoted
several different things here as these have piqued my interest
in different ways. Please know up front that I'm not being militant
or difficult - I'm just asking for clarification and expressing
my own views. I'm also trying to understand how these things
could or would fit into my viewpoint.
“Dok:
Here is something that you might try. When you encounter an
entity that you think might be an energy generating entity,
point both index fingers at them. If they fade away, it was
only a shadow (and a wonderful experience). If they clarify
and continue to present a form, you are dealing with a real
entity. It's about your intention. I asked my male mentor the
same question and he said "Because it works." It works
for me every time and I expect it to work. It will work for
you!”
Me personally
- I've never had a problem distinguishing entities from energies
or shades. "Because it works" is never a good enough
answer for me. What is it about it that works or calls forth
an entity vs a fading shadow. Shadow's themselves can become
entities over time. Does this practice distinguish between those
that were once shadow's and have become more? It's easy enough
to say "If you're lost on the astral - think of your feet
because it works." It works because your feet represent
grounding and because 'you expect it to work'. But it also works
because it's giving you a very specific focus in which to return
to. Before I try a new technique - I want to understand the
theories behind it. So far you haven't explained that. I understand
intention. Are you saying that just because I believe pointing
both index fingers at something will show it's form will cause
something to show that's it's an entity? There are too many
entities out there that are much stronger than us. Why would
they obey?
DragonHawk,
“you said in your opening thread that the woman channelled
entities - but later said that she did not channel "so-called
energies" but entities, which, by later posts, could have
form or be formless and/or incarnate. Terms such as soul, spiritual
sheathe are also found. It strikes me that some of these terms
are essentially similar - descriptors that accentuate difference
of the same existance at different energy levels/frequencies
according (to use your teminolgy) to the level of friction that
that existance meets at the different frequencies: frequenceis
presumably created by the differing levels of friction?”
Dok, “Sorry for the confusion. I do have specific terms,
but I find more understanding when I use common terms. Energies
may be entities, but not necessarily. A frequency is a world
or realm. It can also be an intent, a layer, a position of awareness,
and more. It is a filament of the Source. As such it may be
pure, or it may be an expression of Intent in these dual worlds
of form. Frequencies are the filamentary substance of spirit
that compose everything, in all layers up to the Source.”
At this
point frequency has way too broad of a definition and things
that it can be. I would really like to know what specific words
you have for these things. Part of the problem of using common
words is that they also have very broad definitions. I'm having
a very difficult time trying to understand how the word frequency
is used as a word for realm or world. I can understand using
the word dimension in this instance but not frequency.
Dok,
“I don't know what the physical condition signifies. The
womb has several possible functions. Does the elimination of
one, or two damage the other functions? I doubt it. The female
mentor I mentioned works only with females that she recruits
(I was an exception). Some of those were / are in their 40s.
One was over 50 and is the successor!”
Actually,
I would assume that it does. What of women that no longer have
a womb due to surgery? If you're using a bodily organ to access
the supernatural or inner self than the condition of the organ
should matter. Can you explain how it doesn't? Speaking of recruiting
(that term bothers me) and exceptions - I really don't know
what you mean here. Are you saying you went to this teacher
instead of her coming to you or that you're male and learning
the female mysteries? Also - what of men that were born physically
male but fully identify as female? Do they have this access
as well? If they do then it's not the physical organ that matters.
Dok,
“Here I can speak clearly. We have many lives going on
in this moment. We can become aware of them, but they are not
the same as this one. WE are not the same. The existence and
environment are not the same. Upon assuming the cloak of another
life, we assume that life; memories, associations, goals, etc.
We do retain awareness as the higher self-inhabiting that body
temporarily. We do the same thing here once we realize our higher
self. We become the higher self and assume the cloak of this
life.”
So, time
is not linear. Do you really think that we are living all lives
at the same time? That there truly is no time? Why the differentiation
between higher self and self? Are they not the same? Yes, I
am living a totally different life in this body at this time
but it is still my Self that is living all of the others. Do
you believe that once a higher self incarnates into a physical
body that they lose their higher self? Like I said - I'm not
trying to be difficult. I'm simply trying to understand where
it is that you're coming from. I'm also not trying to be rude
here when I say that your teacher seems to be quite the feminist.
Would you agree? Some of the ideas that you've expressed in
this thread are reminiscent of StarHawk to me. Also - where
is the balance to be found in these teachings? Both sexes contain
the energies of both sexes. I do not see them as cut and dry
different. I've had many teachers in my life. I've never completely
agreed or followed (or chosen to follow) only one. To me - it's
just too containing. Even for those that follow the same path
and walk it together - they have different ideas and opinions.
Look at Christianity for an example (if this is a poor example
please excuse it - I have a migraine.). All of these people
walk the same path, worship the same God, basically believe
the same things and yet there are hundreds, if not thousands
of denominations that believe differently. Also - what of women
that identify as men. Do they still have access to the higher
self through the womb even though, according to what you've
said here, should be looking for outside confirmation?
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
Excellent! I do love a
challenging discussion! LadyRoseRed wrote: “This has turned
into such an interesting discussion. I've quoted several different
things here as these have piqued my interest in different ways.
Please know up front that I'm not being militant or difficult
- I'm just asking for clarification and expressing my own views.
I'm also trying to understand how these things could or would
fit into my viewpoint.”
Here is something that you might
try. When you encounter an entity that you think might be an
energy generating entity, point both index fingers at them.
If they fade away, it was only a shadow (and a wonderful experience).
If they clarify and continue to present a form, you are dealing
with a real entity.
It's about your intention. I asked
my male mentor the same question and he said "Because it
works." It works for me every time and I expect it to work.
It will work for you!
“Me personally - I've never
had a problem distinguishing entities from energies or shades.
"Because it works" is never a good enough answer for
me. It's easy enough to say "If you're lost on the astral
- think of your feet because it works." It works because
your feet represent grounding and because 'you expect it to
work'. But it also works because it's giving you a very specific
focus in which to return to. Before I try a new technique -
I want to understand the theories behind it. So far you haven't
explained that.” Good questions. Answers aren't always
apparent in our limited words, since words can only describe
what we can perceive. Here goes... “What is it about it
that works or calls forth an entity vs a fading shadow. Shadow's
themselves can become entities over time. Does this practice
distinguish between those that were once shadow's and have become
more?” This method doesn't call forth anything. It disperses
everything that has no substance on that particular layer/world.
This happens because in finer worlds, our Intent manifests much
more readily. I expect it to work (intent). It does. Also, shades
fade. They simply last awhile.... like a tree branch that you
cut off does. “I understand intention. Are you saying that
just because I believe pointing both index fingers at something
will show it's form will cause something to show that's it's
an entity? There are too many entities out there that are much
stronger than us. Why would they obey?” Nothing obeys.
You are simply releasing your own apparitions from your own
visual inventory. These manifest as inter dimensional junk!
What is left has substance in that world.
DragonHawk, “you said in your
opening thread that the woman channelled entities - but later
said that she did not channel "so-called energies"
but entities, which, by later posts, could have form or be formless
and/or incarnate. Terms such as soul, spiritual sheathe are
also found. It strikes me that some of these terms are essentially
similar - descriptors that accentuate difference of the same
existance at different energy levels/frequencies according (to
use your teminolgy) to the level of friction that that existance
meets at the different frequencies: frequenceis presumably created
by the differing levels of friction?” Sorry for the confusion.
I do have specific terms, but I find more understanding when
I use common terms. Energies may be entities, but not necessarily.
A frequency is a world or realm. It can also be an intent, a
layer, a position of awareness, and more. It is a filament of
the Source. As such it may be pure, or it may be an expression
of Intent in these dual worlds of form. Frequencies are the
filamentary substance of spirit that compose everything, in
all layers up to the Source.
“At this point frequency has
way too broad of a definition and things that it can be. I would
really like to know what specific words you have for these things.
Part of the problem of using common words is that they also
have very broad definitions….I'm having a very difficult
time trying to understand how the word frequency is used as
a word for realm or world. I can understand using the word dimension
in this instance but not frequency.” My own perception
and becoming has shown me that all existence is composed of
Malinalli. These are filaments of spirit. They can be imbued
with intent, or they can be composed into a cohesive object,
entity, or world. We use these Malinalli to express life. We
extend a filament whenever we have a word, a feeling, an act,
a belief, and so forth. These filaments are the substance of
the universe... at least as high as the great Web. Each filament/Malinalli
has a specific frequency. Unless it has been ascribed a particular
intent, it holds the frequency of the great web (the Source).
MonSno, I don't know what the physical
condition signifies. The womb has several possible functions.
Does the elimination of one, or two damage the other functions?
I doubt it. The female mentor I mentioned works only with females
that she recruits (I was an exception). Some of those were /
are in their 40s. One was over 50 and is the successor!
“Actually, I would assume that
it does. What of women that no longer have a womb due to surgery?
If you're using a bodily organ to access the supernatural or
inner self than the condition of the organ should matter. Can
you explain how it doesn't?” Sure. The physical womb is
a reflection of your inner womb. As above, so below. It is still
there and the physical organ is not the gateway. “Speaking
of recruiting (that term bothers me) and exceptions - I really
don't know what you mean here. Are you saying you went to this
teacher instead of her coming to you or that you're male and
learning the female mysteries?”
I am a full time lucid dreamer. I
was recruited by a male nahual to teach his circle dreaming.
He sent me to a female nahual to learn healing and female energy
tendencies. They work together. She teaches females. She calls
it the Jade Skirt. She de-composed me and re-composed me with
the balance required for a healer. “Also - what of men
that were born physically male but fully identify as female?
Do they have this access as well? If they do then it's not the
physical organ that matters.” A possible assumption, but
no. They do not have the inner vortex. Look for yourself. You
will see.
“So, time is not linear. Do
you really think that we are living all lives at the same time?
That there truly is no time?” Time is linear. And yes there
is time.... within a particular band of frequencies. There are
other laws in other places. As always, I share my own knowledge
and your mileage may vary! “Why the differentiation between
higher self and self? Are they not the same? Yes, I am living
a totally different life in this body at this time but it is
still my Self that is living all of the others. Do you believe
that once a higher self incarnates into a physical body that
they lose their higher self” Perception is relative to
the frequency that it is bound to. The higher self has many
forms in play. It can lock onto any or many, if the process
has been achieved. While here, we perceive here. “Like
I said - I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm simply trying to
understand where it is that you're coming from. I'm also not
trying to be rude here when I say that your teacher seems to
be quite the feminist. Would you agree? Some of the ideas that
you've expressed in this thread are reminiscent of StarHawk
to me.” She was definitely a female! And her counterpart
was definitely a male. I don't know who Starhawk is; sorry.
This is the feminine forum, as you know. I can and will post
in others! “Also - where is the balance to be found in
these teachings? Both sexes contain the energies of both sexes.
I do not see them as cut and dry different.” This is a
discussion of the feminine. “I've had many teachers in
my life. I've never completely agreed or followed (or chosen
to follow) only one. To me - it's just too containing. Even
for those that follow the same path and walk it together - they
have different ideas and opinions. Look at Christianity for
an example (if this is a poor example please excuse it - I have
a migraine.). All of these people walk the same path, worship
the same God, basically believe the same things and yet there
are hundreds, if not thousands of denominations that believe
differently.”
Your point?
LadyRoseRed wrote: “Also - what
of women that identify as men. Do they still have access to
the higher self through the womb even though, according to what
you've said here, should be looking for outside confirmation?”
Yes. They have a womb. Sexual identity choices don't affect
inner energetic composition.
LadyRoseRed:
“Excellent!
I do love a challenging discussion!”
As do
I. I'm enjoying our conversations.
“Nothing
obeys. You are simply releasing your own apparitions from your
own visual inventory. These manifest as inter dimensional junk!
What is left has substance in that world.”
I used
the wrong wording here. You're right - it's not calling it forth.
I do understand manifesting intentions - especially on other
planes. Yes, shades fade but we're talking about on command
when you point both index fingers at them. If all it is in intentions
I could show them any finger and have the same result. What
is it specifically about point both index fingers at them aside
from intentions? Yes, but shades are not my apparitions. "Nothing
obeys." It's been my experience that many things do.
“My
own perception and becoming has shown me that all existence
is composed of Malinalli....”
Thank
you for your explanation. From just a short amount of googling
this seems to be an Aztec word. It's really very interesting.
“A
possible assumption, but no. They do not have the inner vortex.
Look for yourself. You will see.”
I try
not to pry at other people's energy centers. I'll take your
word for it.
“Time
is linear. And yes there is time.... within a particular band
of frequencies. There are other laws in other places. As always,
I share my own knowledge and your mileage may vary!”
lolol
- I like that.
“Perception
is relative to the frequency that it is bound to. The higher
self has many forms in play. It can lock onto any or many, if
the process has been achieved. While here, we perceive here.”
But it's
more than just current perception. While here I can perceive
more than just here with the proper mind-set.
“This
is the feminine forum, as you know. I can and will post in others!”
I look
forward to it.
“This
is a discussion of the feminine.”
Very
true but I do strive for balance in all things - including the
feminine. I do not believe that it's complete or that it's out
of balance if completely ignoring the male parts of ourselves.
Physiologically, we are made up of both estrogen and progesterone.
I feel that we do ourselves as women a disservice to ignore
or 'not talk about' that part of ourselves. That's just me -
others are free to disagree.
“Your
point?”
I truly
enjoy a conversation where I'm asked what I mean before a person
chooses to take offense or take what I've said the wrong way.
I greatly appreciate your asking. It's just that you've spoken
quite a bit about what your teacher has told you. I'm also interested
in what you've found outside of these teachings and how they
mesh with your views. I'm not having a discussion with your
teacher - I'm having a discussion with you. I have no idea how
long you've been studying with this person, if you plan to continue
on as a life long journey and learn only what she has to teach.
If this teacher has all of the answers for you and can teach
you all that you need to know then that's great. I'm just not
built that way. I do celebrate the differences in people and
try to understand others. I've had many conversations turn sour
because people take offense at my questions. I am truly glad
that this is not the case here.
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
LadyRoseRed wrote: “This
method doesn't call forth anything. It disperses everything
that has no substance on that particular layer/world. This happens
because in finer worlds, our Intent manifests much more readily.
I expect it to work (intent). It does. Also, shades fade. They
simply last awhile.... like a tree branch that you cut off does.”
Nothing obeys. You are simply releasing your own apparitions
from your own visual inventory. These manifest as inter dimensional
junk! What is left has substance in that world.
“I used the wrong wording here.
You're right - it's not calling it forth. I do understand manifesting
intentions - especially on other planes. Yes, shades fade but
we're talking about on command when you point both index fingers
at them. If all it is in intentions I could show them any finger
and have the same result. What is it specifically about point
both index fingers at them aside from intentions?”
Use any finger then. let me know
how it works for you! LOL “Yes, but shades are not my apparitions.”…"Nothing
obeys."
It's been my experience that many
things do. Maybe I should have said that the pointing is not
to require anything to obey?
“Thank you for your explanation.
From just a short amount of googling this seems to be an Aztec
word. It's really very interesting.” Aztecs use that word,
but it is much more than their meaning. It goes all the way
back to the days of Quetzal Coatl.
“But it's more than just current
perception. While here I can perceive more than just here with
the proper mind-set.” Really? Tell me about it. I am a
dreamer, but only learned daytime dream access in recent years.
I looked through the dream forum, but didn't see anything I
could latch on to..
“Very true but I do strive for
balance in all things - including the feminine. I do not believe
that it's complete or that it's out of balance if completely
ignoring the male parts of ourselves. Physiologically, we are
made up of both estrogen and progesterone. I feel that we do
ourselves as women a disservice to ignore or 'not talk about'
that part of ourselves. That's just me - others are free to
disagree.” I hear you. Since some recent episodes in my
spiritual life, I have been saturated with the knowingness of
one. This makes all things I encounter seem to be pieces. Male
and female are also pieces. Balance is imperative if one seeks
to unfold awareness, but from the position of one they are opposing
energies. Facets of the duality in these coarser frequencies!
I no longer seek balance. I seek Oneness.
“I truly enjoy a conversation
where I'm asked what I mean before a person chooses to take
offense or take what I've said the wrong way. I greatly appreciate
your asking. It's just that you've spoken quite a bit about
what your teacher has told you. I'm also interested in what
you've found outside of these teachings and how they mesh with
your views. I'm not having a discussion with your teacher -
I'm having a discussion with you.” I have used their words
to describe my own experiences at times. Just as they used their
mentor's words. But I have many instructions from them that
I have not experienced and I do not share those! “I have
no idea how long you've been studying with this person, if you
plan to continue on as a life long journey and learn only what
she has to teach. If this teacher has all of the answers for
you and can teach you all that you need to know then that's
great. I'm just not built that way.”
I spent 7 years with my male nahual
and 3 with my female nahual. They are gone now. I am a healer
and a dreamer. I am simply enjoying provoking others and smiling
as they dig deep to find their answers. “I do celebrate
the differences in people and try to understand others. I've
had many conversations turn sour because people take offense
at my questions. I am truly glad that this is not the case here.”
LadyRoseRed:
“Use
any finger then. let me know how it works for you!”
Rofl
So, you're also skilled at lifting impressions through a computer
screen. I like it. It can be so tedious to converse with just
the written word and no inflection.
"Maybe
I should have said that the pointing is not to require anything
to obey?”
I wasn't
speaking of the pointing fingers thing here. Just that many
things do obey. They generally don't like it very much but they
do obey. At this stage in my practice I very rarely, if ever,
enter situations where it's necessary.
“Aztecs
use that word, but it is much more than their meaning. It goes
all the way back to the days of Quetzal Coatl.”
Just
from my short amount of googling - is it correct to assume that
what you practice is Meso-American based? It's not an area that
I've studied but I find it endlessly fascinating.
“I
hear you. Since some recent episodes in my spiritual life, I
have been saturated with the knowingness of one. This makes
all things I encounter seem to be pieces. Male and female are
also pieces. Balance is imperative if one seeks to unfold awareness,
but from the position of one they are opposing energies. Facets
of the duality in these coarser frequencies! I no longer seek
balance. I seek Oneness.”
Opposing,
yes, but necessary. Just as a coin must have 2 sides to be complete.
In it's completeness is also finds balance. You cannot have
a front without a back. They are both different yet necessary
for the coin to be whole. To me - balance is imperative to everything
not just unfolding awareness. It is the opposing forces that
hold it all together. I did the frequency thing a very long
time ago so. When the courser frequencies blend they become
complete and create a much finer and well tuned frequency. You
said you no longer seek balance. Is this because you've found
it or because you've found something you want even more? Oneness
- the goal of all mystics. I have achieved it. I had to choose.
Did I want to spend my
life
achieving oneness (which takes time and effort) or did I want
to live and experience this incarnation. It's obvious that I
chose not to live the life of a mystic. It was a difficult choice
for me at that time. The draw of it, the purity of it, the becoming
nothing and everything at the same time, the beauty of it, I
could go on and on but I'll stop myself here. I'll have all
the Oneness that I desire when this incarnation is over and
I look forward to finally being finished incarnating and eternal
Oneness. I chose to live and experience all that this life has
to offer. Both choices and every choice in between are all equally
valid. What I choose for myself is not right for anyone else.
What you choose for yourself is right for you and respected
by me.
“I
spent 7 years with my male nahual and 3 with my female nahual.
They are gone now. I am a healer and a dreamer. I am simply
enjoying provoking others and smiling as they dig deep to find
their answers.”
I am
sorry for you loss. I can sense the deep love you've had for
both of them. I do think provoking is an interesting word to
use though. It doesn't have the best connotations.
“I
have used their words to describe my own experiences at times.
Just as they used their mentor's words. But I have many instructions
from them that I have not experienced and I do not share those!”
Perhaps
someday you will. I do not share everything that I've experienced
or everything that I've learned. We are responsible for those
that we teach. On an open internet forum our words can touch
upon unknown numbers of people years after we've written them.
I think it's unwise to share all in the company of strangers.
“Really?
Tell me about it. I am a dreamer, but only learned daytime dream
access in recent years. I looked through the dream forum, but
didn't see anything I could latch on to..”
There
is much to tell and much that I will not share on an open forum
about this. I really don't know what you mean by daytime dreaming.
It's one of those things that can have many different definitions.
Perhaps, if we can narrow down the discussion a bit we can continue
this part of it.
DoktorGreen.Sorcery:
LadyRoseRed wrote: “rofl…So,
you're also skilled at lifting impressions through a computer
screen. I like it. It can be so tedious to converse with just
the written word and no inflection. … "Nothing obeys."
It's been my experience that many things do.”
Maybe I should have said that the
pointing is not to require anything to obey?
I don't seem to be concerned with
whether anything/anyone obeys. Most energies/entities either
cling or run. There have been battles in the past, but that
is decades behind me....
Yes. The lineage is several hundred
years (at least) old. There are only a few written treatises
currently available.
I hear you. Since some recent episodes
in my spiritual life, I have been saturated with the knowingness
of one. This makes all things I encounter seem to be pieces.
Male and female are also pieces. Balance is imperative if one
seeks to unfold awareness, but from the position of one they
are opposing energies. Facets of the duality in these coarser
frequencies! I no longer seek balance. I seek Oneness.
“Opposing, yes, but necessary.
Just as a coin must have 2 sides to be complete. In its completeness
is also finds balance. You cannot have a front without a back.
They are both different yet necessary for the coin to be whole.
To me - balance is imperative to everything not just unfolding
awareness. It is the opposing forces that hold it all together.
I did the frequency thing a very long time ago so. When the
courser frequencies blend they become complete and create a
much finer and well-tuned frequency. You said you no longer
seek balance. Is this because you've found it or because you've
found something you want even more?” Balance is necessary
here, where opposing forces rule. I have balance here, thanks
to my life experiences. One thing that seems prevalent in the
interactions I have had with those acolytes on the path is this:
There seems to be an almost universal tendency to seek the spiritual
life with the intention of making this physical life easier/more
abundant. While that does happen as a symptom, if one focuses
"here", one is affixed "here'. In order to move
beyond "here", one needs to intend and act beyond
"here". I have been forced to consider unity in all
my feelings, thoughts, actions, and decisions. The great Web
pulled me in with such force that I could not resist, and as
a result it directs me. I am a vessel. I am One.. I serve all
my beings and probes in all my worlds. I cannot live for the
self, and wouldn't have it any other way! “Oneness - the
goal of all mystics. I have achieved it. I had to choose. Did
I want to spend my life achieving oneness (which takes time
and effort) or did I want to live and experience this incarnation.
It's obvious that I chose not to live the life of a mystic.
It was a difficult choice for me at that time. The draw of it,
the purity of it, the becoming nothing and everything at the
same time, the beauty of it, I could go on and on but I'll stop
myself here. I'll have all the Oneness that I desire when this
incarnation is over and I look forward to finally being finished
incarnating and eternal Oneness. I chose to live and experience
all that this life has to offer. Both choices and every choice
in between are all equally valid. What I choose for myself is
not right for anyone else. What you choose for yourself is right
for you and respected by me.
I am sorry for you loss. I can sense
the deep love you've had for both of them.”
Thank you. I miss them. Only those
2 have been able to interact with me in dreaming. We all learned.
“I do think provoking is an interesting word to use though.
It doesn't have the best connotations.” It is interesting.
I could have used the words "stalking" or "tracking"....
how would this culture feel about that one? I probe. I question.
It delight in seeing others search themselves! I also seek those
that can be comrades in dreaming.
I have used their words to describe
my own experiences at times. Just as they used their mentor's
words. But I have many instructions from them that I have not
experienced and I do not share those!
I do not share everything that I've
experienced or everything that I've learned. We are responsible
for those that we teach. On an open internet forum our words
can touch upon unknown numbers of people years after we've written
them. I think it's unwise to share all in the company of strangers.
But it's more than just current perception.
While here I can perceive more than just here with the proper
mind-set. Really? Tell me about it. I am a dreamer, but only
learned daytime dream access in recent years. I looked through
the dream forum, but didn't see anything I could latch on to..
“There is much to tell and much
that I will not share on an open forum about this. I really
don't know what you mean by daytime dreaming. It's one of those
things that can have many different definitions. Perhaps, if
we can narrow down the discussion a bit we can continue this
part of it.” Maybe. Is that an area that you acquired some
knowledge about? Probably another thread. Briefly, I dream wide
awake every night, all night. I have now learned to "enter
dreaming" during the day, although on a limited basis.
LadyRoseRed:
“One
thing that seems prevalent in the interactions I have had with
those acolytes on the path is this: There seems to be an almost
universal tendency to seek the spiritual life with the intention
of making this physical life easier/more abundant. While that
does happen as a symptom, if one focuses "here", one
is affixed "here'. In order to move beyond "here",
one needs to intend and act beyond "here".”
That
is so true.
“It
is interesting. I could have used the words "stalking"
or "tracking".... how would this culture feel about
that one? I probe. I question. It delight in seeing others search
themselves! I also seek those that can be comrades in dreaming.”
Not well.
lololol
“Maybe.
Is that an area that you acquired some knowledge about? Probably
another thread. Briefly, I dream wide awake every night, all
night. I have now learned to "enter dreaming" during
the day, although on a limited basis.”
Some
- but like I said before - we would need to narrow down the
definition here. Dreaming encompasses such things as dreams,
visions, daydreams, visualizations, etc.
“Thank
you. I miss them. Only those 2 have been able to interact with
me in dreaming. We all learned.”
In some
cultures people that enter other's dreams are/were put to death.
Doing so with participation and permission is a different thing.
It's not a very common skill. There are very few people that
I would allow to do such a thing. It takes a level of trust
that is not easily attained.
DreamWhispers:
DoktorGreen
wrote:”Well now... you don't really think the womb is simply
"a basic internal organ", do you? It is a literal
energetic vortex, spinning faster and with more strength than
any other human vortex. Not only does it create all the spiritual
and physical forms of all beings that come into incarnation...
, it is also a serious energy modem for the female to engage
and assimilate higher frequencies! Men wear "war paint",
meaning they must seek confirmation outside themselves via forays
into the other realms and lessons acquired in this realm. Women
wear "birthing paint". They can go directly to the
higher self and bring knowledge back. They need no go-between.
Women can enter the vortex of their own womb and experience
the world from a much greater perspective. And it is easier
than the path a man takes. … Obviously, most women have
no idea that this connection exists. too bad. We need them.”
Thanks for pointing
this out Dok G! I've done a fair amount of work involving using
the womb for manifestation, healing and etc. and can certainly
attest to its power and nearly instantaneous effects!
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