Dream
Sharing & Re-entry Tracking - Part 2
CinnamonMoon:
Earthwalker, Yes,
and I think it was a good experience for you on many
levels too. It's always fascinating to see the common
threads in Circle work, be it a healing circle, a prayer
circle, woman's circle, drumming circle, you name it,
the energy weaves together and the group becomes a whole
on different levels. Sometimes, when you get used to
working in this format you can actually see the weaving
energies as people partake. It's nice to watch that
too. I think for an introductory course that it was
done well and in a manner that was tasteful no matter
what tradition people come from.
Earthwalker:
Cinnamon,
Just a thought for the future, maybe. Could you possibly
take us deeper into these areas. Where I didn't relate
to Robert was in the orientation. While he works with
a Native American guide Island Woman which is what drew
me to his workshop his focus was more on the gods and
goddesses etc. In addition his way is different somehow
rougher (possibly men’s verse woman’s medicine
or just the lack of the bringing out to a mixed group
the sacredness of these pathways, I am not sure). I
think I was looking more for the Native American perspective
in soul retrieval and dream tracking etc. then what
was presented. Is there a way the more advances aspects
could be taught at SL? Is there anyone that can teach
these techniques.
I
realize you have all of the time in the world for this.
But it is all very interesting albeit I acknowledge
that our guides are the ones who do most of the teaching.
Still it would be nice to have more interaction and
ways of practicing. Personally, I would also like a
perspective that was more along the earth based perspectives.
I have enough trouble with the symbolism here with out
getting into all of the symbolism of all cultures. But
that is a personal perspective only.
Note
this is just a thought. I am not sure how much interest
there would be in learning these techniques or how much
time you have right now. I really do realize that you
are very busy. If not are there any others that you
could recommend that coarse good teachers of these techniques,
that teach at least occasionally in the Northeast.
Skwerl:
Guten Morgen! I
Wonder what would happen for a person that would like
to be in that situation but is held back because of
shyness of revealing the dream? I would love to hear
the ways of other Dream Sharing and Dream Interpreting
Cinnamon Moon! For dreams have always interested me
since I was a child. Most people like my father when
I grew up said dreams were nothing, that they were only
a play land where your brain could go to rest, and it
conjures up images of things in ridiculous situations.
I thought that was true, until one night I saw a strange
man in my dreams, and I didn’t know who he was,
and when I woke up, the next day, it seemed that he
turned out to be the grandfather of my friend. One of
whom I’ve never met. I saw a picture of him, and
that confirmed that he was the guy in my dreams, it
was weird, he died about 2 days before and my friend
said he had to go to Oklahoma for the Funeral. So I
always thought that dreams were something more since
then. One thing that’s cool to me, is that I’ve
been doing this spiritual stuff for about over 2 years
now, and I didn’t have any help from any one, just
random books here and there. My path has been kind of
strange and awry, off the beaten path. And it’s
so great this forum, because surprisingly, this is most
of what the stuff I’ve been thinking of, and I
didn’t really think much of it until I found this
board. I’m so happy I found this board!
But one thing, I would like
to share a dream that freaked the hell out of me yesterday.
It wasn’t last night’s dream, but the night
before dream….if that makes sense. The only thing
I remember about it is that there was this scene where
I got up to go to take a shower, because I thought that
I had awoken already, and then for some reason my head
itches, so I go look in the mirror and for some reason
its magnified to where I can see the hair follicles
in my scalp, and I see these morbid bloody holes that
look like they’ve been drilled into my head, and
then a sealed, locked, skinny tube slowly rises out
of one of them. I start freaking out and my heart beat
is like a rabbit now because I think that I’m awake.
And then three other tubes pop out of my head, another
out of my scalp and the two other ones out of my ears.
I try to pull the one out of my ear out, but it hurts
so bad when I touch it, and I scream, and that bubbly
feeling happens you know, when you get swimmers ear
from being in the water too long? And then I notice
that three of the tubes have keys in them, but one of
the tubes was open, and it was empty. That was the one
I had pulled on. And the one on the right side of my
head had a key to get to the key, and the other two
were concealed tubes. Then I woke up because my alarm
went off. I was scared shitless (excuse my language)
and I kept feeling the top of my head. I kept thinking
that maybe that means that I’ve unlocked only one
vital part of me, and there are still discoveries locked
in my head that I have to get out. I dunno. But the
weirder thing, is that I have a very screwed up love
life, and I’m awkward about approaching the people
I love…one person I love in particular (I often
have dreams about me and her in a past life). And the
spirits know that I’m scared of talking to her
and things like that. So I roll over, and my back hurts,
and the way I twist my head to react to the pain, I
notice that I’m sitting on a note…. It’s
the note that /she/ gave me, the one that I made her
translate because she speaks Latin. (It said “If
I only had 30 seconds to live, this is how I would want
to spend them, looking into your eyes”) and I just
about cried…. Because I have to gather up strength
every day to even talk to her. And then of course, I’m
depressed by the end of the school day, and in my 7th
period, my friend notices and draws me a picture (he’s
a really good artist). And it’s a picture of two
girls. One of them is taller and looks like me….and
mysteriously the second girl in the picture is blushing
with glasses, the same hair style and what not on. My
friend hasn’t even met her, she doesn’t even
know what she looks like, she doesn’t even KNOW
about her. And yet he happened to draw that picture.
I got really freaked out and stared at that picture
all night when I got home. And I got the feeling I wasn’t
alone. But I dunno, maybe all of this is coincidence,
maybe not. But I’ll try this technique posted here
to get through the meanings of dreams. Thanks you guys!
CinnamonMoon:
Skwerl, Sweetie,
your dream interpretation is side tracking from this
thread since it's about techniques themselves and I'm
going to ask you to take your questions to a separate
thread if you don't mind. Just copy/paste them as a
new topic in this forum. Being a minor, you can't post
it in the Practice reading forum but you could in this
forum and open it up for discussion. Meanwhile I suggest
you look into the article on the Dream Lodge. Thank
you for understanding. (BTW...anyone reading this, Skwerl
and I have inboxed to get to know each other a bit.)
Earthwalker, I really don't
know anyone in your area that could teach this to you
one on one or even a book to suggest that might help
you. I have my own ways of working along these line
and an affinity for the work that seems to be innate.
I *just do it*, it *just happens* for me. And with the
formal teachings I've received it's just a recipe to
do what I do naturally anyway. I just happen to have
my own techniques.
When someone tells me of
their dream, journey, or vision they've received I *pop*
right into it, I *see* it and I'm there with them. Many
Medicine Teachers have ritualized formats to accomplish
this, for me it just happens.
On the other hand if I'm
doing intentional retrieval work it's very private,
lengthy processing to get to where we can even recognize
the problem and focus in on it. That I do in a prescribed
manner of taking one painful issue (the most recent)
and tracing back to the next and essentially going into
each issue to clear the blockages. It's very much akin
to psychotherapy work and is often an ongoing process
that takes several sessions to accomplish.
This often involves my projection
into it, sometimes it can be discussed on the surface
if the person is adept at travel themselves. Basically
it requires permission from the person and a level of
trust they have with you to share such intimate details
of their lives and spiritual journeys in the first place.
Respect for that individual needs to be of utmost concern,
confidentiality is critical, it's really exposing themselves
and so the standards of any student-teacher or healing
practices would apply ethically speaking. The ethics
are important and I think Robert covered that well.
The individual's understanding
of symbology, your understanding of their belief structures
and symbology, their thought processing, etc. is all
involved. This said as far as the technique goes I enter
into the visions as one would enter into a book, into
the author's descriptive terms and I take
on the role of a Witness. I see the symbols as they
describe them, the colors, the details and the vision's
events so they all speak to me of many things. With
what I'm shown I share with them or draw forth questions
to help them find their answers and a course of action
to resolve issues.
In a public setting it's
very superficial, you can't go into the intimate details
as that's just not appropriate and sets the individual
up for ridicule by those who are present, and to teach
it on the boards here could also be subjecting the knowledge
to be used abusively. I would discuss my methods in
detail with you privately however, and it would go into
the teacher-student relationship that way, which you
and I have already established, you see?
What I can address here is
that whether you are going into this to help someone
sort out a vision or the symbols (which we often do
here at SL) or for some other reason where that intent
defines the circumstances and the approach.
For soul-retrieval work the
indepth work needs to be done very privately, it's painful,
it's exposing our deepest parts of ourselves and total
trust and honesty need to be at the core of that. It's
the same for healing. The work itself can easily be
abused and I'm not comfortable taking it fully into
the techniques I use for that reason. Again, I'm sorry
but it's only the surface theory that I'm willing to
go public on.
That said, you asked: "Could
you possibly take us deeper into these areas. Where
I didn't relate to Robert was in the orientation. While
he works with a Native American guide Island woman which
is what drew me to his workshop his focus was more on
the gods and goddesses etc."
It sounds to me as if he's
more eclectic and taking the approach of witchcraft
there, or at least polytheism. It doesn't matter though.
To take the NA approach you work from within the center
of the Seven Sacred Directions. Once there you hone
in on the vision, step back in time (past) and enter
it (drawing from the Below World with your Guides there
to assist you), and you bring that to the present by
exploring with this individual in the retelling portions.
I tend to see things they
may have missed and will validate what I'm shown by
asking if this or that was there, or was there something
else over here that you forgot to tell me about? I let
them define the details so that I know I'm seeing correctly.
Sometimes this calls for
very deep work and hypnotic/trance states are brought
into play. Again the deeper you go the greater the risk
and more open the person needs to be. Sometimes you
end up with that person spiritually sharing space with
you and they are aware of your presence. It depends
on where they are spiritually speaking on their own
paths, how much control they have over their own abilities,
and how open they will be with you.
For instance, when you share
your visions here, or in private with me, I literally
see the things you are sharing and understand the symbology
you are being given. My spirit enters instantly. I can
see when you are correct or taking something off course
somehow. So I will speak up to you knowing our relationship
is what it is. However with someone else I'd have to
ask to do that, and be very cautious about giving them
too much. You can't spoon feed either or they get nothing
out of it and it's
dismissed as a cool thing that was an experience but
not the lesson or healing they needed. You see?
"In addition his way
is different somehow rougher (possibly men’s verse
woman’s medicine or just the lack of the bringing
out to a mixed group the sacredness of these pathways,
I am not sure)."
I think it's a bit of both.
He needs to keep it neutral or non-traditional due to
the variety of belief structures in his audiences. He's
also going to go with a very methodical approach due
to the Men's Medicine ways which are very different
than the Women's Medicine in this respect. More ritualized
if you will, and a ceremonial approach. Women's ways
tend to be more empathic and clairsentient. The men
have to work to get there more.
"I think I was looking
more for the Native American perspective in soul retrieval
and dream tracking etc. then what was presented."
Traditionally when this
work is done there are lines or axis points that the
shaman will spiritually travel through OBE/projection
techniques and dimensional travel is involved. The skill
level of that projection is going to vary from person
to person. Some project their spirits up the Shamanic
Tree or down it depending on what they're doing and
looking for here. Others will use ropes or ladders as
a visual portal connection, sometimes root systems or
vines, but there is a fixation of connection to that
entry point with the portal that allows them to "come
back" from the experience. Guidance and centering
are always first on the list naturally and awareness
of their (your Guide/s) presence before going deeper.
"But it is all very
interesting albeit I acknowledge that our guides are
the ones who do most of the teaching. Still it would
be nice to have more interaction and ways of practicing.
Personally, I would also like a perspective that was
more along the earth based perspectives. I have enough
trouble with the symbolism here without getting into
all of the symbolism of all cultures. But that is a
personal perspective only."
I think most of us feel
that way. *Smile* I'm guarded but if you have specific
questions about the techniques he taught and just want
to relate those to the NA perspectives I'll be happy
to do that for you. It's a broad topic, and has many
levels to it, so I'm afraid I don't have the time at
the moment to develop a series of articles to cover
all that. You ask, I'll answer as I can and I'm sure
others will add what they can too. Okay? Perhaps doing
so in separate threads so we can expand on things that
way? I'd appreciate that as it may develop into pieces
that would benefit our main library as well.
Whether healing, retrieving,
or resolving issues a full understanding of the Seven
Sacred Directions, their Medicine teachings, and interweaving
presence is necessary so one knows how to proceed with
the course of action required. So the risk factor is
high with inexperience too. I think this is another
reason why Robert addressed things as he did. His audiences
don't hold that knowledge across the board and he can't
delve deeper on introductory levels. I suspect that
he does just that in his more advanced courses and longer
workshops though. This workshop seems to have been designed
to demonstrate the interconnectedness of the whole through
means of synchronicity,
which works well. It offered a feel for what this work
was like, but it would only whet the appetite.
Robert certainly couldn't
go into healing techniques or herbal lore, how to talk
with the plants to know their Medicines or journey with
them to see how to use them. He couldn't go into the
retrieval techniques either. It just was too limited
in time. There are many months and years of study needed
to do this in opposition to the few hours he had to
work with. His only recourse was to take you superficially
into the experience, and only those who held this knowledge
already would be able to go deeper. You sensed that
it was not the place to fully share what you were shown
and I'm sure you can understand the limitations that
he was working under too. So with all this said, ask
your questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
Earthwalker:
Thank
you Cinnamon and I will ask as I have more questions.
Robert
did teach a very beginning rendition of going down into
the roots of a tree after choosing a favorite tree and
we were instructed to feel and let out any sound that
came from that connection. I have to admit I wasn't
too much into this type of display. He also had people
act out a dream of another, to introduce us to another
technique he uses. I was a tree. Well I love trees but
I didn't like being a tree in a group setting in kindergarten
and like it even less in this setting; albeit it did
get us up and off of our butts. Others however did seem
to enjoy this role playing. I also ask the question
why without native blood I was being drawn so strongly
to the Native American perspective. He answered our
guides can be in any form but they are a beginning to
all of the ancient pathways. They are simply an initiation
point to start us on our journeys. He then went into
a discussion on, I believed KA the horned goddess etc.
This had been his lifelong pursuit of his so like we
all do we address situations in a manner that we feel
most comfortable in. Still I have been shown that those
pathways including Mayan are not where I belong and
that severed a link to an extent. I think the only goddess
I have been drawn to at all was Brigid later called
St Bridget.
Synchronicity
has also been evidenced in the past few days. I went
to Borders and they had a bargain book the TAO Te CHING.
Of all of the eastern spiritual traditions I always
found Taoism the one I gravitated towards so I picked
up the book for reference. It was a literal translation
and showed the symbols and characters of the words.
I had been hoping to find a symbol I had been given
a couple of years ago and was my reasoning for asking
about the Reiki symbols last fall. As I was skimming
through this book I found a list of the radical (characters)
and I found the symbol I had been looking for. It was
a two stroke radical number 20 called SHAO and its meaning
was to wrap around, to enfold; I think the way of healing.
I also woke up to a dream this morning where I met a
new guide or entity. I have a lot yet to understand
in this meeting so I won't post just yet. From these
discussions about synchronicity I did see values in
another thing that was taught both by Robert and Cinnamon
which was to journal or make notes of symbols etc. They
will have meaning as Cinnamon says at the right time.
CinnamonMoon:
I'll watch for
other posts then as you come to assimilations. As for
the exercise in being a tree, I'm sure it was to create
the visualization format so needed when one enters into
this work.
Otherwise you're groping
in the dark and doing a lot of guessing. It's a starting
point. I'm not familiar with Ka but if she's a horned
goddess then she's probably a moon goddess.
I haven't read the Tao Te
Ching in 20 years, my copy is by Lao Tsu, and is translated
by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English. Is that the same as
yours? I wouldn't mind looking at issues from there
either. *Smile* I'm a bit rusty but it might be fun.
Earthwalker:
Cinnamon,
the copy I have is by LAO TZU but the translator and
commentary
is by Jontahan Star.
Yesterday
morning I met a new guide (?) as I awoke. He was all
in white, NA and very old. his presence evoked a Knowing
and Peace unlike any I have experienced before. Two
things stood out he carried a white leather rattle and
he wore some type of a cloak but it had two beaded belt
strips of pure white over his shoulders. I think the
pattern at least part was of upside down slightly flattened
triangles. The rattle was important. I was to use it
with a song to call. Enough said there. I asked him
who he was? His answer was strange. I am Nanook (I saw
a white Polar Bear), I am the Dolphins at play (I saw
Dolphins), I am the waves of water (I saw the circulation
of the wave and particles of water) and the winds and
plains of energy (I saw plains of colored energy moving
in large vibration horizontal movements); just as you
are.
Quite
frankly, the just as you are through me for a loop since
The I became like a very young child just opening and
awaking to the beauty of Mother Earth in the presence
of this entity or presence.
He stayed while I drove to work and saw and felt the
beauty of the land.
Somehow
I felt places can be healed by this energy force if
it is opened up to. As I drove to work I argued "don't
ever ask that I give up seeing the beauty of this land,
I cannot give up feeling the forests and see nature
through the eyes of a child in wonder". He did
answer as he left leaving the rattle in midair. The
rattle and song, I believe is a way of calling this
energy to heal. His energy is powerful yet so very calming.
My wish is that it be shared with each of you as it
spread across this land. Then I pick up the above book
and read "Know this Primal Power that guides without
forcing that serves without seeking that brings forth
and sustains life yet does not own or possess it
One
who holds this Power brings Tao to this very Earth he
can triumph over a raging fire or the freeze of winter
weather yet when he comes to rule the world it is with
the gentleness of a feather."
I
am just left thankful for this experience, the apparent
synchronicities and simply wondering?
CinnamonMoon:
Earthwalker, well
it might be interesting even if we have different translations.
At least I have something to go by when you bring up
points about what you get from the book. *Smile* We'll
see where it goes.
The new Guide that came to
you, his age and being all in white is indicative of
him being one of the Ancient Ones, Master Teachers if
you will. His countenance also addresses that understanding
within him of the higher spiritual realms. His costume
and his rattle are not known to me, but they seem to
signify a standing so to speak, perhaps he oversees
some specific pathway, like White Buffalo Calf Woman
does. Much like a Spirit Keeper and his presentation
is indicative of welcoming you to that path. It may
not be named yet, but it is the path you are walking
or you would not have been given these gifts to serve
it.
"I am Nanook (I saw
a white Polar Bear), I am the Dolphins at play (I saw
Dolphins), I am the waves of water ( I saw the circulation
of the wave and particles of water) and the winds and
plains of energy (I saw plains of colored energy moving
in large vibration horizontal movements); just as you
are."
*Soft smile* He's telling
you he is part of All That Is....the Web of Life...All
Our Relations. When you took on the role of the child
just opening and awaking to Mother Earth's beauty he's
helping you see that you are starting to understand
the path you are walking and that progress and growth
await you. This is beautiful!
"Somehow I felt places
can be healed by this energy force if it is opened up
to."
Those feelings are important
as our Guides impart through sensation as much as they
do words. You understood the calling, the Song, the
use of the Rattle and what they can summon into being.
This is the Medicine you were given by this Guide.
"As I drove to work
I argued "don't ever ask that I give up seeing
the beauty of this land, I cannot give up feeling the
forests and see nature through the eyes of a child in
wonder".
Your spirit accepted this
work then.
"Know this Primal Power
that guides without forcing that serves without seeking
that brings forth and sustains life yet does not own
or possess it
One who holds this Power
brings Tao to this very Earth he can triumph over a
raging fire or the
freeze of winter weather yet when he comes to rule the
world it is with the gentleness of a feather."
It sounds to me as if this
new Guide was gifting you with a rattle to use in the
future, visually, and it may come into your hands in
some way as well (these things have a way of doing that,
I was given such a rattle years ago too *Smiles*. Mine
is a bit different and has its own purpose but I know
what you're talking about). Sometimes we're given a
Song or Chant to summon certain energies, along with
a tool that will assist us. Whether these come into
physical manifestation is not important because we can
bring them into being when we journey and do our pathwork.
We use them one way or the other.
I'd say that you have completed
your initiation process over the past several months
and are now entering into the enlightenment of the path
you're walking. Earthwalker, your recent attempt to
find your physical teacher nearby taught you that you
don't need that. You came to the conclusion that the
Spirit Teachers are indeed our greatest teachers. So
now you've received a new one. It is time to accept
and that's just what you did. He'll be back, and he's
given you the means to summon him whenever you want
to study with him or do pathwork. Well done!
