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Numerology —The Double Digit Numbers

By BearInMind

From "Numerology" © 1994 by Hans Decoz and Tom Monte / All rights reserved.

So far, we've worked with single-digit numbers in your chart, with the exception of the Master numbers and the Karmic Debt numbers.

Now, let's look at the numbers 10 and up. Every one of the cardinal numbers can be based on several different component numbers.

The 7, for instance, can be based on 16, 25, 34, 43, 52, 61 or 70. (It cannot be based on 79 or 88 except indirectly, because 79 and 88 are 16.)

When a 7 is based on 25, it is slightly different from a 7 based on 34 or 61. For this reason, the author has made it a habit to include the double-digit number in the chart.

He writes a 7 based on 25 in this manner: 25/7, and a 7 based on 34 like this: 34/7.

Now let's analyze double-digit numbers. A double-digit number's characteristics are dominated by that of the single digit it represents. First and foremost, it is that cardinal number. The double-digit number highlights certain aspects and diminishes others, but it never eliminates any aspect completely. You may want to study the double-digit numbers in your personal chart to see if you can gain additional insight or clarity. For example, a 7 based on 25 is not as withdrawn as a 7 based on 16. A 7 based on a 34 is more creative than a 7 based on 25. The already considerable leadership ability of a 1 is enhanced in the 10. As a rule, numbers that are dividable by 10 strengthen the characteristics of the single-digit numbers across the board. A 10 is a high octave 1, a 40 is a high octave 4, and a 70 is a high octave 7. Below is a short description of double-digit numbers 10 through 99. As an exercise, you may want to contemplate a few double-digit numbers, then see if you picked the same main points as those described below. To find your double-digit number, take the total of the letters in your full name BEFORE you reduce them to a single digit.

10 Double-Digit Number ~ It enhances all the qualities of the 1. It is a powerful leader, sharply focused, and streamlined for success. It can be ruthless in the pursuit of its goals. It can become a dominating tyrant.

11 Double-Digit Number ~ See "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

12 Double-Digit Number ~ It is highly creative, individualistic, and unconventional. It represents the interest of the self versus those of the group.

13 Double-Digit Number ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

14 Double-Digit Number ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

15 Double-Digit Number ~ It is loving, forgiving, and extremely tolerant. It is responsible, successful, dynamic and strong. It represents travel, adventure, and experimentation. This number can bring self-indulgence.

16 Double-Digit Number ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

17 Double-Digit Number ~ It is spiritual growth, faith and balance. It is also wealth or bankruptcy. It is an inner struggle to remain true to spiritual and moral values.

18 Double-Digit Number ~ It is involved with business on an international scale, and it is a discordance between idealism and selfishness. There is a lack of conscious spiritual effort.

19 Double-Digit Number ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

20 Double-Digit Number ~ It is overly sensitive, intuitive, and vulnerable to criticism. It has emotional problems. It can show weakness and cowardice in the face of challenges.

21 Double-Digit Number ~ It is similar to 12, but much more intuitive. It tends to procrastinate.

22 Double-Digit Number ~ See 22 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

23 Double-Digit Number ~ It loves people and is a freedom fighter, a promoter of causes, a quitter and unrealistic.

24 Double-Digit Number ~ It counsels and comforts others. It likes music, particularly rhythm. It represents domestic struggle and divorce.

25 Double-Digit Number ~ It is spiritual leadership. It likes group endeavors. It can be too serious. It has great difficulty sharing feelings.

26 Double-Digit Number ~ It is excellent in business and management. It is a good strategist, a workaholic, and is often disorganized in personal affairs.

27 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a counselor, a volunteer, and an artist, and is often successful. It represents inheritance. It is sometimes rigid and narrow-minded.

28 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a 10, but with more compassion and tolerance.

29 Double-Digit Number ~ It is the same as 11. See "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

30 Double-Digit Number ~ It is communication and creativity. It is a high octave 3. It has a great sense of humor, and while jovial, can be superficial.

31 Double-Digit Number ~ It is more extrovert and fun-loving than other 4s. It is also more creative. It can be unfaithful.

32 Double-Digit Number ~ See 23. It is more sensitive, and has emotional ups and downs, and is moody.

33 Double-Digit Number ~ Some numerologists consider this a Master number. Its ultimate potential is in teaching. It is called the Christ number. It comforts others. It represents self-sacrifice and beliefs in Utopia. It is often co-dependent, and is sometimes a compulsive liar.

34 Double-Digit Number ~ It is very intelligent. It is spiritual purity through effort. It shares with others, and is a warrior.

35 Double-Digit Number ~ It is creative in business. It is an inventor, gadget-designer, or business adviser. It is social, but does not work well with others. It should freelance.

36 Double-Digit Number ~ It is very creative. It is sometimes a genius. It is also self-conscious, inhibited, and aloof.

37 Double-Digit Number ~ It is very individualistic, a scholar, a voracious reader, has an excellent imagination, and is often disorganized.

38 Double-Digit Number ~ See 11 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article. It is more realistic. It is very intuitive, but will not easily admit that. It often earns money in the sale of art or antiques. It has phobias.

39 Double-Digit Number ~ It likes functional art. It is often in acting and dancing. It has difficulties with rejection and separation.

40 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a high octave 4. It is extremely organized, systematic, and methodical. It is critical of others, intolerant, and sometimes prejudicial.

41 Double-Digit Number ~ See 14. It is capable of directing energies to many different projects successfully. It is selfish, has a lack of humor, and is sometimes a criminal.

42 Double-Digit Number ~ See 24. It has political aspirations. It can be an administrator, often in government institutions. It can be insensitive.

43 Double-Digit Number ~ See 34. It represents concentration, perfectionism, sometimes frustrations, and feelings of inferiority.

44 Double-Digit Number ~ It is an excellent number for business, and it is also good for a military career. It is a visionary and a doer. It has great potential.

45 Double-Digit Number ~ It is often involved in banking, or international institutions. It struggles to be comfortable with itself. It can be cynical.

46 Double-Digit Number ~ It represents leadership (see 10), and is often tactless. It is always well-prepared, and confident.

47 Double-Digit Number ~ See 11 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article. There is an inner struggle between practical, down-to-earth 4, and spiritual 7. Once balance has been achieved, it is a prophet and counselor extraordinaire.

48 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a visionary and a planner. It is sometimes lost in unrealistic dreams.

49 Double-Digit Number ~ See 13. It is a caretaker that makes effort for others. It is a problem-solver. It wants to be a hero and friend to everyone.

50 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a high octave 5. It is extremely freedom-loving and versatile. It is open to new ideas, and is willing to take a chance. It sometimes has sexual hang-ups.

51 Double-Digit Number ~

52 Double-Digit Number ~ See 25. It is more sensitive, intuitive, and creative.

53 Double-Digit Number ~ See 35. It is more verbal, creative and business-oriented.

54 Double-Digit Number ~ See 45. It is less organized and disciplined. It has a difficult time finishing projects. It tends to be a dreamer. It is very idealistic.

55 Double-Digit Number ~ It is extremely freedom-loving, and likes to travel. It is social, but can also be selfish and lonely. It represents success for anyone in sales.

56 Double-Digit Number ~ This is a difficult combination that represents extreme sensitivity and the need to balance a desire for freedom with an equally strong desire to be part of a family. Also see 11 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

57 Double-Digit Number ~ It represents intelligence and inventiveness. It brings wisdom in the later part of life. It is very creative and unconventional.

58 Double-Digit Number ~ This number shows a willingness to work hard and is usually successful. It recognizes opportunities and can make quick decisions. It is somewhat dogmatic and opinionated.

59 Double-Digit Number ~ It is very persuasive and convincing. It is often found in the charts of successful lawyers and fundraisers. It brings an uncanny ability to be comfortable with people of all walks of life and diverse cultures.

60 Double-Digit Number ~ It is loving, caring, and responsible. It sometimes brings subservience.

61 Double-Digit Number ~ This is a number that represents difficulties in love relationships. However, the need for family and friends is strong. It is demanding and secretive; an excellent number for researchers, law officers, and people in the Secret Service.

62 Double-Digit Number ~ See 26. This number is less sensitive. It is an excellent caretaker. A good number for people with careers in the medical field.

63 Double-Digit Number ~ See 36. It is less outgoing. However, it can be sexually promiscuous.

64 Double-Digit Number ~ See 46. It is less organized and more creative.

65 Double-Digit Number ~ See 56. The need to balance freedom and domestic affairs is even more important here. This number sometimes brings a criminal tendency.

66 Double-Digit Number ~ Generous to fault, this number brings financial ups and downs. It is extremely loyal and loving.

67 Double-Digit Number ~ This number merges analytical intelligence and creativity. Inventors and mathematicians often have this number prominent in their chart, often behind a core number.

68 Double-Digit Number ~ It is good for business. It has a tendency to be insensitive, but it is also very loyal. It has a great sense of humor.

69 Double-Digit Number ~ Few numbers are as responsible and self-sacrificing as the number 69. Political activists and environmentalists often have this number, as do doctors, nurses, and teachers. It is also extremely creative.

70 Double-Digit Number ~ This is the hermit's number. It is a loner and a seeker of truth who can get caught up in the act of seeking knowledge to such an extent that it loses touch with the material world. It has high intelligence and originality. It is eccentric.

71 Double-Digit Number ~ See 17. It is less authoritative and is often a loner.

72 Double-Digit Number ~ See 27. It tends to be an excellent conversationalist and it is usually a voracious reader.

73 Double-Digit Number ~ See 37. It is independent and likes to work alone. It is demanding in relationships.

74 Double-Digit Number ~ See 47. It brings premonitions and intense dreams. This number can bring eating disorders

75 Double-Digit Number ~ See 57. It is more analytical and less creative.

76 Double-Digit Number ~ See 67. This is an excellent number for anyone involved in management or organization. It can turn ideas into reality. Sometimes this number brings dogmatic and religious fanaticism.

77 Double-Digit Number ~ This is perhaps the most intelligent and inventive of all numbers. It also represents spiritual wisdom.

78 Double-Digit Number ~ This number brings struggle between the spiritual and the material. People with this number prominent in their chart make and lose fortunes.

79 Double-Digit Number ~ Political and spiritual leaders often have this number. It brings concern for mankind, but it can also be ruthless and self-righteous.

80 Double-Digit Number ~ This is a good number for business. However, it is found more often among people in top management and the military, than among entrepreneurs, due to a lack of independence. It is an extrovert number.

81 Double-Digit Number ~ See 18. It is more money-oriented. It often lacks spiritual understanding. Sometimes this number brings violence.

82 Double-Digit Number ~ See 28. This is a number that brings strong leadership and courage. It is the survivor. This number can bring a lack of stability in marriage. Many people with this number prominent in the chart either never get married, or get married many times.

83 Double-Digit Number ~ See 38. It is more business-oriented and less sensitive and vulnerable.

84 Double-Digit Number ~ See 48. It is more the visionary and less the organizer.

85 Double-Digit Number ~ See 58. It is more masculine, and can be bullish.

86 Double-Digit Number ~ See 68. This number is more self-oriented. It is also somewhat irresponsible and self-indulgent.

87 Double-Digit Number ~ See 78. This number is somewhat more practical and handles money better, but the struggle between the spiritual and the material is just as intense.

88 Double-Digit Number ~ This number is full of contradictions. It is excellent for business, but it is not good for relationships. It is insensitive.

89 Double-Digit Number ~ This number represents the aristocrat and the man or woman of the world. It brings much travel. This number can make it difficult for a person to be alone, even for short periods of time.

90 Double-Digit Number ~ It is self-sacrificing and humble. This number often brings religious fervor, but almost always of a positive and inspiring nature. People with this number prominent in the chart tend to be aloof, yet loved and respected by many.

91 Double-Digit Number ~ This is a combination that brings success in career, particularly in the creative fields, but it is unable to handle money. It is economic and opinionated.

92 Double-Digit Number ~ See 11 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article. This number brings great concern for mankind.

93 Double-Digit Number ~ See 39. It is creative, particularly in architecture, and landscaping. It has difficulties with commitment.

94 Double-Digit Number ~ See 49. It is the practical humanitarian. It is not comfortable with travel, and dislikes changes.

95 Double-Digit Number ~ See 59. It is the humanitarian, but it is impractical, a dreamer. It loves travel and change.

96 Double-Digit Number ~ See 69. Its self-sacrificing and loving nature is more focused on family, friends, and the community.

97 Double-Digit Number ~ See 79. It is more sensitive. It is a quiet worker and loves to read.

98 Double-Digit Number ~ See 89. It is an idealist, but comes across as indifferent. It has a hard time showing emotions. A person with this number prominent in his or her chart is not easily understood by others.

99 Double-Digit Number ~ It represents artistic genius. A person with this number is often misunderstood, and is frequently the victim of gossip. It can bring jealousy and possessiveness to relationships.

Numbers, as we discussed in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article, have personalities, much like people do. Once you have a good grip on the individual personalities of the cardinal numbers, you are able to understand a multiple-digit number by contemplating the combination of personalities represented. Keep in Mind that a multiple-digit number is dominated by the single-digit number to which it is reduced. Then, read the separate digits in such a way that each digit has to work its influence through the digit in front of it.

For example, the number 324 has first and foremost the characteristics of the single-digit number 9, to which it can be reduced. However, the number 3 influences the way this number 9 is expressed. The numbers 2 and 4 are also represented, but are less important.

I thought I'd have a little fun with some of the monikers found around Spirit Lodge ~ some old, and some new. A lot of the ones in my list below are from old threads that were saved in my hard drive ~ I did a clean-up today. Others are handles posted in the Welcome Center in the Who's Who thread, but I did not include those IDs that I know have numbers, where the numbers weren't posted. To me, an ID has a number tagged with it, it's part of the ID.

The list certainly does not have *all* the names of our members; more like just a drop in a bucket, I'm sure. Note that I just did this for fun, so don't run out and get a new ID just because you might not like your number. The handles are listed in alphabetical order, but those with numbers which preceed names are listed in numerological order, then by alphabet. Enjoy!

1 Shadow Slayer = 52 ~ See 25. It is more sensitive, intuitive, and creative.

2Crow Woman = 46 ~ It represents leadership (see 10), and is often tactless. It is always well-prepared, and confident.

Autumn Mouse = 37 ~ It is very individualistic, a scholar, a voracious reader, has an excellent imagination, and is often dis-organized.

Bear In Mind = 53 ~ See 35. It is more verbal, creative and business-oriented.

Be Water = 29 ~ It is the same as 11. See "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

cedar rose = 43 ~ See 34. It represents concentration, perfectionism, sometimes frustrations, and feelings of inferiority.

Cinnamon Moon = 59 ~ It is very persuasive and convincing. It is often found in the charts of successful lawyers and fundraisers. It brings an uncanny ability to be comfortable with people of all walks of life and diverse cultures.

Cinnamon Moon 1 = 60 ~ It is loving, caring, and responsible. It sometimes brings subservience.

Ghostkatt = 31 ~ It is more extrovert and fun-loving than other 4s. It is also more creative. It can be unfaithful.

Maftet = 20 ~ It is overly sensitive, intuitive, and vulnerable to criticism. It has emotional problems. It can show weakness and cowardice in the face of challenges.

Minna EarthKeeper = 82 ~ See 28. This is a number that brings strong leadership and courage. It is the survivor. This number can bring a lack of stability in marriage. Many people with this number prominent in the chart either never get married, or get married many times.

Mouse = 19 ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

Northernwolf = 69 ~ Few numbers are as responsible and self-sacrificing as the number 69. Political activists and environmentalists often have this number, as do doctors, nurses, and teachers. It is also extremely creative.

rebel psi = 41 ~ See 14. It is capable of directing energies to many different projects successfully. It is selfish, has a lack of humor, and is sometimes a criminal.

SacredGarden = 54 ~ See 45. It is less organized and disciplined. It has a difficult time finishing projects. It tends to be a dreamer. It is very idealistic.

Sister Cyber = 53 ~ See 35. It is more verbal, creative and business-oriented.

Skye Katt = 22 ~ See 22 in "The Master Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

SnowyOwlsClan = 51 ~ See 15. It is more independent and aggressive.

Star Bear Spirit = 67 ~ This number merges analytical intelligence and creativity. Inventors and mathematicians often have this number prominent in their chart, often behind a core number.

StarDreamer08 = 58 ~ This number shows a willingness to work hard and is usually successful. It recognizes opportunities and can make quick decisions. It is somewhat dogmatic and opinionated.

SwanFeather = 48 ~ It is a visionary and a planner. It is sometimes lost in unrealistic dreams.

Wee Lil Mouse = 49 ~ See 13. It is a caretaker that makes effort for others. It is a problem-solver. It wants to be a hero and friend to everyone.

White Buffalo Woman = 77 ~ This is perhaps the most intelligent and inventive of all numbers. It also represents spiritual wisdom.

Wynsong7 = 43 ~ See 34. It represents concentration, perfectionism, sometimes frustrations, and feelings of inferiority.

Xanthos Griffon = 14 ~ See "The Karmic Debt Numbers" in the Numerology/Numbers of Destiny article.

I thought I'd share that about 15 years ago I played with numbers like this for titles of poems I wrote, to see how closely the "meat and potatoes" (theme) of the poem came to the numerological meaning, and was quite blown away that each title was a near-perfect match for its poem. What's even more interesting was that the poems were written way before I began to study numerology ~ some when I was just a kid.

Play around with some of your personal nicknames, or names you like to call others. For example, there is a woman I know whose name is Margaret, but she's commonly known as "Peggy" and I call her "Pooh." All of her names as she is known fit her to a good extent.

Another thing to play around with is email addresses ~ yours and others. Meh ~ It's easy for me to whiz through this kind of thing ~ I calculate on the spot sometimes since the numerical value for the alphabet is all-but engraved in my brain. But some of you who have time on their hands may want to give it and play around with some names and things ~ you'd be amazed at what you'll find :nod

Rebel PSI:
Hello Sister Cyber - thanks so much for your work here on numerology. I have a confusing situation when it comes to my name. So they say to use the name on your birth certificate. Cool. I legally changed (and embraced) all three new names. So I now have a birth certificate that also has that name. I think in terms of using the birth name that I get. But then to use the name you go by today - shall I forget all about all three of my changed names and go for my shorter first name although I sign using the longer version - mostly when I introduce myself I use the shorter version and most others call me by my shorter version. So should I go with original birth name as appeared on my birth certificate then for the name I go by now just do the short version first name and my new last name? I have no problem with that but then again it completely ignores my current middle name which I have now had half my life. Just a little stalled here on this one any help would be appreciated.

SisterCyber/BearInMind:
I'm working on a Numerology article now that pertains to names, so "stay tuned" for that. For the moment, the "short" answer is that the *primary* information comes from your name as it appears on your birth certificate. Do I understand correctly that you now have 2 birth certificates? As for a new name, you'll gain additional insight from their numerological value. Go with the information you derive from the name as you introduce yourself. If you *normally* introduce yourself using your middle name ("Hi, I'm Carol Ann Brown") or using initials ("Hi, I'm J.K. Rowling") then go with that for additional insight. You can also get some insight from the name you use for signing, but since that's not the name you introduce yourself as, I'd not harp heavily on that, unless it's how you introduce yourself. In other words, if you have a middle name and use it when you introduce yourself, then go with that for insight. If you have a middle name, but don't use it typically, then go with the name you use to introduce yourself for further insight.

Rebel PSI:
Thanks Sister Cyber - yes two birth certificates. I was supposed to send in my old one I guess but didn't do that so I have two. I should burn the other one now that I think of it because it is not lawful to have two. I never carry both with me of course. I'll give that a try then - using the birth names and then my short version first name with my new last name. I think that's what you are saying to do here. I appreciate your time.

Minna:
Thanks, Bimmy!! This is fun! I like this (although lately my 'tolerance button' has been as broke as my 'edit button'): 28 Double-Digit Number ~ It is a 10, but with more compassion and tolerance. And this! ROFLMAO!!! ~ Minna EarthKeeper = 82 ~ See 28. This is a number that brings strong leadership and courage. It is the survivor. This number can bring a lack of stability in marriage. Many people with this number prominent in the chart either never get married, or get married many times.

Should i ask Husband 1, H2, or H3 if that's too many times...Nope. H3, my Sweet Bear would tell me that three is, just like Goldilocks' last bitto porridge...Just Right. I don't know about the leadership thing though. But you and the numbers got the 'husband thing' spot on.

WhiteBuffaloWoman:
This is cool. Thanks Bear In Mind for bringing it to my attention.

BearInMind:
I'm glad to know you all enjoyed it! I added some names, and fixed Jaguar Eyes 9's ~ I'd left off the number 9 so had to edit the Double-Digit information.

Mouse:
Hey babe. That was pretty interesting. And pretty smack on for my names too. Thanks.

SnowyOwlsClan:
Independent....very. Aggressive....sometimes, but i think that's because i have Badger walking with me . I've not really looked into numerology, not in a good way anyway, so this is quite new to me. It's been an interesting thread. Thanks

CinnamonMoon:
BIM~ Thank you for taking the time to do this. It's fun to see everyone you've been able to bring forward...sort a of a group lesson in this light. You did great and I for one think we should put the thread in the library with other Numerology information you've provided. I'm anxious to see your article when you're done too.

StarBearSpirit:
Very interesting BIM. Griff... try not to get a "swell" head lol

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Hey SL Whilst using our usernames may be fun, having studied numerology extensively myself, I am aware that it only actually works with your given (i.e. birth) name. If there is any familiarity from the above list using your username, this can only be because your username shares some numerological aspects with your given name: but it cannot be exact as your time and naming at birth is the all important aspect: and this cannot be changed from a numerology point of view. Here is what the website BIM's work comes from says on the subject:

“Your original name at birth reflects who you are; your talents, strengths, weaknesses, unique character traits, and so forth. Your original name at birth cannot be changed. Your birth has passed and you have been named. Your date of birth represents the momentum of your life; the path you walk, the cycles, the timing of events and influences, the direction of your life. Your date of birth cannot be changed either.

Northernwolf:
But would you say, that , for example a spirit name given to us would hold the same meaning as with a birth name but on a different level. Now I know this was about our nicknames, but I know that it my case it seems to fit and Northernwolf has been with me for such a long time that it is an identity in itself. Its also a beacon , an aspiration to who I am. It does hold some facets of my own identity. Now it may not be true to all user names, but I would think that the name itself without any regards to numbers would hold some kind of vibration that does in a way reflect on ourself. Not disagreeing just some thoughts here as I know nothing about numerology.

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Northernwolf, As I said, there may be some correspondences, as the usernames we choose or are chosen for us do represent some aspect of us. My concern would be that what has been written above is too general: like reading the star signs in your local newspaper. Numerology is a very complex field and our Expression number alone (the Expression number is the number gotten from our name) is only one facet of who we are and does not give a full picture. When you then add to this that our given name is not being used, the exercise becomes pretty worthless from a numerological perspective and could be misleading, particularly without the other aspects and most particularly the life path number:

“The Life Path number…The most important number in your numerology chart is based on the date of your birth, the moment when the curtain goes up in your life. This number is called the Life Path number. It can be compared to the plot of a potential play. The Life Path number gives us a broad outline of the opportunities, challenges, and lessons we will encounter in this lifetime.”

link to the Life Path number page for more info

As you say Northernwolf, and I might agree, given that we are talking about a name taken on a spiritual journey, our username could give clues as to what we ASPIRE to be, and in this respect it may be useful. But there are other numbers in numerology that tell us that: it might be interesting to check out the Hearts Desire number, the Personality number and the Birth Day number and then compare them with our Spirit Name number. The "how to" is here: Link to the main calculations page I just felt that numerology is far too complicated a subject, and uses far too many variables, to be treated out of context the way it has been here: particularly given some of the derogatory comments noted above. If you actually download the software and use it even with your username, the full descriptions are often at odds with the rather glib comments noted above (taken from the double-digit page), which doesn't give one a great deal of confidence that this system is valid. Perhaps this is because rarely do any two books on numerology agree, and there are many different numerological systems from many different cultures. I think my main concern is that people might read the descriptions given above and this could

influence their perceptions, especially new members or those who have recently changed their usernames and are trying to work with the energies a new name brings. I felt that this could be counterproductive.

Cinn, The point in my last posts was to point out the inaccuracies in using our usernames. But there are also inaccuracies in this system: I have never come across double digits being used in this fashion so I can only presume that this is just two men's opinion as only the Master Numbers are usually left in double digits: all other numbers are reduced to one digit. There are systems that use double digit numbers, but not set out with the nine systems to replace the alphabet as used here: systems such as Grammaria which uses specialized numbers based on the sigils of the Hebrew alphabet letters: i.e. the numbers are intrinsic in the Hebrew letters, not the other way around as used here where numbers are used to replace letters. In this case only single digits are used. The master numbers are not just restricted to 11 and 22: 33 is also a master number (perhaps the most important) and although not often described as such as are 44, 55, 66, 77, 88 and 99. We then move onto the triple numbers 111, 222, 333 etc etc. To understand the Master numbers requires at least a passing knowledge of Kabbalah and other Mystery School traditions of both the Middle East and Europe.For instance without knowing that 11 represents the Creative Force, 22 represents the extension (into Thought) of that Creative Force and 33 is the manifestation of that Creative Force the master numbers have no meaning.

The numbers 1-9 are considered archetypes that have only an abstract definition in the mundane: they are aspects of the godhead that we carry, but cannot really be used in the mundane. Hence the master numbers that bring forward their use. I know this thread is only "for fun" and for the reasons I have mentioned it cannot be taken seriously, but one might have expected there to be more master numbers in the list, given that these are the numbers of the Spiritual adept: perhaps this is just another pointer to the inaccuracies of this thread.

Plato used these archetypes to show how the series expanded to create form and it is from Plato that all modern notions of numerology came, based on the work of Pythagoras, who many now believe got the system form the Megalithic peoples of North-West Europe, whose knowledge of numbers can be seen in ancient monuments such as Stonehenge.

The number 11 is the dot drawn on the page, 22 a line joining that dot to another point on a page, 33 a line from the second dot to a further dot that implies a triangle: space is then contained: but not yet in volume of time: the sequence goes on expanding to 99 when the the thought becomes manifest in the mundane world of the mind's eye: ready to be acted upon.

Someone with 11 is therefore working with Creative energies, someone with 22 is therefore working with giving force to those energies (the force to expand) with 33, the person is aiming to make those forces stable and so on and so on. None of this is explained.

No mention of double-digit numbers is made in Numerology. other than the Master numbers and its consequent series, therefore this thread is misleading even in its notion, let alone the fact the wrong names are used.

Personally I don't agree that there are any negative aspects to divination systems: nor do I believe that there any forces that are not of Great Spirit/God/whatever you call that figure.

I do believe that certain aspects of any divinatory system challenge us and Numerology is no different in this respect. This is my ultimate objection to this thread: it is for each member to choose when and how they take those challenges: not for one particular member to make those decisions and thrust in on a member by such a thread "just for fun".

I am aware of the challenges my name brings up: and I was aware long before I brought my name here to the Lodge: heck I wrote about that journey just the other day in Mari's "bad" thread.

But I have had two years to work with that energy and ground it. Other people may not be aware of the challenges and may not be aware of how to deal with them: that is for them to work through in their own space and time: it is not in my opinion anyone else's business, let alone to be the subject of a thread here at the Lodge.

My final objection is that all numbers are in sequence and want to resolve themselves to the next number in the sequence: 1 wants to go to 2, 2 to 3, 11 to 22, 22 to 33 etc etc They also go back the other way, 3-2, 2-1, 33-22, 22-11 :just as we go down the Kabbalistic Tree of Life to create in the Mundane and work up the Tree in our Spiritual pursuits.

In Numerology terms, this is the Journey: No mention of this is given in the thread! People might think that they have to change their name in order to rid themselves of a bad number as BIM obviously does: this is not so: the point is to work with the number energies not to run away from them!

Sacred Garden:
(((Bim))) Thanks for putting all this out there for us. It's a great starting point for anyone interested in numerology! There are always different viewpoints on any given topic or system such as this one. I'm always happy to see anything that makes me 'think'. *smiles* With that said, I'm also glad to see this thread back. I did notice that Before, my name was one of the sample ones that was there, originally .. and now it's not. No matter, the point still gets across. I just didn't want you to think that I had a problem with my 'SacredGarden' name used in the demonstration. It's all good. I'm happy

BearInMind:
I'm so glad to know you guys and gals are having fun with the Double-Digit numbers!

“Whilst using our usernames may be fun, having studied numerology extensively myself, I am aware that it only actually works with your given (i.e. birth) name.”

I beg to differ wolf spirit uk. Numerology does not only actually work with a person's given name. Birth Days are inclusive as that is where one of the Core Numbers (Life Path) comes from. Additionally, Short names and nicknames may provide further insight.

“...but it cannot be exact as your time and naming at birth is the all important aspect: and this cannot be changed from a numerology point of view.”

That is your point of view. In all actuality, that aspect *can* change when a person changes their name, as in rebel psi's case, for example.

“Here is what the website BIM's work comes from says on the subject:”

I never quoted from a website. I contacted Hans directly to use the material in his book at Spirit Lodge.”

“But would you say, that, for example a spirit name given to us would hold the same meaning as with a birth name but on a different level. Now I know this was about our nicknames, but I know that it my case it seems to fit and Northernwolf has been with me for such a long time that it is an identity in itself. It’s also a beacon, an aspiration to who I am. It does hold some facets of my own identity. Now it may not be true to all user names, but I would think that the name itself without any regards to numbers would hold some kind of vibration that does in a way reflect on ourself. Not disagreeing just some thoughts here as I know nothing about numerology.”

I would suggest you take a look at the Minor Expression number, the Minor Heart's Desire number and the Minor Personality number for more insight on your spirit name, Northernwolf. For example, does this ring any bells for you...? : “Your short name adds love, warmth, generosity, and genuine concern for others. It increases your concern for family and those less fortunate than you. You are better equipped to deal with duty and responsibility, and even find greater satisfaction in it. You want to do good in the world. You become more socially conscious, and seek ways to better the plight of others. Your artistic abilities are enhanced. You are more concerned with beautifying your home, or engaging in healing and teaching. ~ Numerology ~ The Core Numbers: ex-pression Number ~”

The exercise I did with the IDs was just for fun and nothing's etched in stone of course. People can change IDs like they change shoes, and perhaps even create an ID that adds to a 92, for example, in order to grow in areas where they are lacking, or in order for others to perceive them to be what they aspire to be.

“But there are also inaccuracies in this system: I have never come across double digits being used in this fashion so I can only presume that this is just two men's opinion as only the Master Numbers are usually left in double digits: all other numbers are reduced to one digit.”

wolf spirit uk, just because you have never "come across" double digit numbers being defined does not make the information moot or invalid. It's a big world out there, and I'm sure you'll come across a heck of a lot more you've never seen before.

“To understand the Master numbers requires at least a passing knowledge of Kabbalah and other Mystery School traditions of both the Middle East and Europe.”

I don't agree that study of the Quabalah is a requirement to understand Master numbers. I studied the Quabalah, Kabbalistic mysteries/secrets and ancient history at *great* length while I was married to an Isrealite. Knowledge of it does enhance understanding and opens up the deeper mysteries, but it's not mandatory to learning about Master numbers .

“(((Bim))) Thanks for putting all this out there for us. It's a great starting point for anyone interested in numerology!”

(((SacredGarden))) Thanks for the encouraging words! That's all it was meant for ~ to spark interest (well, and to provide information on the Double Digits).

“With that said, I'm also glad to see this thread back. I did notice that Before, my name was one of the sample ones that was there, originally .. and now it's not.”

wolf spirit uk/RavenFireStoneWolf, and to my understanding, someone else, asked their names be removed. Apparently you weren't the "someone else" so I'll put your name back in.

SacredGarden:
Thank you Bim ~ the only real importance to me was, expressing appreciation for what you've had to offer here. Hey, do ya remember this saying from W A Y back ... "Drive it like ya stole it!" ? LOL

Rebel PSI:
holy cow! “rebel psi = 41 ~ See 14. It is capable of directing energies to many different projects successfully. It is selfish, has a lack of humor, and is sometimes a criminal.” Time for a name change!! The last sentence IS total opposite of me! Honest! lol not that anyone would believe an unfunny, selfish criminal! Lol I'll have to keep this in mind next time I do up a nick - incidentally my original nick was not available so I had to settle. Still...good fun. Thanks for the thread!

XanthosGriffin:
Very interesting! My birth name is a 7, but a DD (double digit) 16. Now the name I use professionally my birth name without my middle name) is a 1, DD 10! I haven't worked out my online ezboard names yet. I need a calculator.

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