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Channeling Discussion (2 pages)
By CinnamonMoon
I was taught that the Fool talks
and the Wise One listens. Listening is part of divination. In
order to do any level of divination there is channeling involved
on some level. How do you open to being receptive and how do
you know what you are receiving is accurate?
Sharon:
I've
been 'playing' with I Ching for a number of years now. Probably
since 89 or 90. At first it was just for fun, but the responses
I'd gotten were so darn accurate it gave me goosebumps. After
a while, I began to realize I was having a 'relationship' with
it. I learned how to focus my questions into proper frame, and
I learned to 'feel' when I did the I Ching. I've never felt
I had much psychic abilities, yet I do agree that there is much
channeling involved in divination. ~ I suppose what I am saying
in this statement is that I've never felt I had great psychic
ability... so I didn't realize I was tuning my psychic ability.
A few months ago, I gave a couple I Ching readings at Shaman
Sapiene in the practice readers forum. I was not sure of my
ability to do a good reading online for strangers, as I'd only
done readings for myself or for my friends. I think I gave three
readings. Two of them were validated, though one was not. ~
I feel when I am focused, and have a correct frame for the question,
I do get accurate responses. I would like to mention, though,
that my relationship with I Ching sometimes can be 'smart'.
In other words, when I am acting like a 'moron' I get an appropriate
response! Which usually makes me go "Okay.... I'll listen.
What should I learn?"
Desertrose:
Thanks
for asking, I hope there will be a lot of replies, as I think
it´s very interesting to hear how people got started and
how they work. What´s your story Cinn.? What really made
things happening for me, was getting in touch with my feelings.
I´d
had a rough life so I had become a coldhearted, ambitious business
woman though not with chainsaws on my elbows. Having a child
blew me open but I closed again until he was about 3. I was
divorced and couldn´t handle my son, so I found it necessary
to draw his astrological chart, though it´s my belief
you shall not draw charts for under-aged. I only looked at the
chart long enough to see that I had an over-sensible child with
extreme need for hugs and lots of humor.
So I
went in therapy to learn to feel and show and give feelings.
My guide here ran a New age center where I began to spend time
and learn. The more I got in touch with my feeling the more
I opened up towards stuff from the other world and it revealed
that I had different abilities. BUT I had not control of it
so along the way I had to learn certain techniques. Mostly I
hear voices.
The
beginning was very difficult cause along with ancient wisdom
came a lot of rubbish so until I learned how to keep out "dark
spirits" I spend a lot of time analyzing and put ting things
into different boxes. I have on the top of my head a transmitting
center where I feel electrified when somebody wants through
to me.
If I
want in contact I activate this center by opening my crown chakra.
Somehow I sometimes feel someone needs my help and I go on travelling
out of my body. Nowadays I do it unconscious of where together
with a spiritual guide because it´s much too exhausting
to do it consciously. It often happens at night, but I always
know if I´ve been away because I wake up bumping into
my body, a bit like when an airplane lands.
The
help I give is for instance comforting a child which has been
abused and teach it how to stop the abuse. Once I was called
to comfort a young performer who was too scared to go on stage.
Once I was called to stay 20 hours with a child who was dying
of hunger.
I had
to figure out a huge lie to my boss why I´d just stayed
away without calling. I cannot change the situation - just give
comfort, advice and reassurance.
From
time to time, not every year, I´m asked by my guide to
do a "Channelizing" which is difficult and not particularly
pleasant. I cannot explain how I do it, but they use my body
as a pipe to send a certain kind of energy to a specific place
on earth. I have nothing to do with it, neither any control
of it, I´m simply a pipeline. I know what and where and
can read the effect shortly after in the newspaper. But I don´t
like to do something where I´m totally out of control.
Astrology
- good. Healing - 50 - 50. Clairvoyance - occasionally.
Actually
I´m into most things, interested in everything. Some works
other doesn´t, I´m continuously learning. But I
realized a couple of days ago the importance of not leaving
praying and meditation for too long. I have practically no contact
at the moment, my guide just offered me one word - "patience".
I do "travel" though.
Then
there is this boy-friend I´ve been in contact with all
my life, but never thought about until 92, he was sort of just
there. It´s him who taught me English - I never opened
the book at primary school. I listened to him every night, just
feeling the meaning of the words - when I was younger I didn´t
hear his voice, I just felt his presence.
CinnamonMoon:
“What´s your story Cinn.?” I usually try to
avoid telling my story because I don't want to color the thread
with "me" stuff. But, since you asked I'll share what
comes to mind this time. At 5yrs old many doors opened for me
and I began with two Spirit Guides...a shaman and Wolf. I came
into life with what I call "Old Memory" these days...it
was knowledge I had no way to learn at such an early age. Truths
that stood the test of time and validated themselves. At that
same time the elemental forces introduced themselves to me.
I did not go seeking them, it just "happened". By
the age of 11 I was doing automatic writing and just playing
with it and by the time I was 18 I'd begun toying with the Tarot.
It took me a couple years to really get into that as I was young,
but once I did yet another channel opened or the main one widened,
however you want to put it.
Over the years more Guides came to
me and I began working with my Totems as well. I have since
the age of 5 worked within the DreamLodge so that was a given
and very natural for me. During my mid-teens more of my abilities
began manifesting and I was alone with my Guides so I had to
work through them by trial and error. It took years to figure
it all out but eventually everything settled into place.
I do have my "tells" as
I call them. Signals that put me on notice that guidance is
coming through and sometimes I'm visited by spirits that work
with me for different reasons. How I perceive them varies. There
are times I do see them and others when I can feel them only.
But the lessons or messages are very clear. One of my "tells"
is a ringing in my ears when I need to open and receive a message.
Sort of like a buzz on the telephone line. Sometimes I just
find words flowing from my mouth that I'm not in control of.
As they come they carry a message I may or may not understand
that is meant for the person I'm talking to and they will validate
it then and there.
If I'm writing to someone my Guides
will step in and I feel their presence. I just let them have
free reign and they convey a message to someone about their
path or life in some way. I am "moved" to post certain
things that touch certain people and see the hand of Spirit
moving through cyber-space too.
When I was learning the Tarot and
trying to understand the interpretations (something that had
always fascinated me ... symbology and interpretations) I was
struggling hard. There were 78 cards, each with dual meanings
in most cases when upright or reversed. Each card could be seen
on the mental, physical, emotional, or spiritual perspective
so that needed to be brought into play and I was on overwhelm
trying to keep it all straight. In those days I was looking
for a quick understanding. I had a sense of trust in the cards
from the start but the bond was raw yet.
One day the High Priestess card was
turned and she came to me, pulling me into the card through
a vision, I sat in her chair, I looked out from that position.
I held the Tora as she did in my lap (knowledge and sacred law)
and I understood all that the card represented. I understood
her position, and that while she might have all that knowledge
in hand, what she dispersed was discriminatory depending on
the capability of the person to open to truths. We merged and
with that I suddenly understood what I personally needed to
do to "read" the cards for people. One by one I stepped
into each card and explored it that way. Each one a journey
unto itself. I came to know them well and today that's how I
read for people.
On occasion if I start to veer in
a wrong direction or should miss something my Guides will step
in and shout at me or just plain take over for a bit. I go with
that. They've never steered me wrong ever. I could go on and
on but suffice it to say that my guidance has been strong since
childhood and I learned to trust in that early on before others
could shut those doors for me. I was fortunate that way. My
path went in many directions along the way but each one was
filled with lessons and sooner or later I got them. Some were
repeated until I did, lots of trial and error. *Smiles* And
then there were the moments of teaching at the feet of Medicine
People that kept bringing me back to this path as being "right"…for
me. So when the signals come I go with the flow. I know it's
only going to take a brief moment if it happens during the course
of mundane activity as I'm never put in danger of trance states
that way. A lot can be conveyed in a brief instant. It may take
hours to explain but the enlightenment or message is very quickly
received for me.
I think this is more than enough
about me. I'd rather hear what others have to say and comment
where appropriate. I hope I didn't bore you.
Mouse:
Cinn, you don't bore. Your
posts are very inspiring.
I use cards to get a connection with
someone. If I am asked to read for a friend, I will ask her
to give me a number between 0 and 72, which corresponds with
a Dutch oracle set that I have, I get that card, and that is
what gives me the connection. I don't know how that connection
is there, or how I know that it is a connection. Perhaps because
the images come, the associations with the cards are just there,
(and they can be entirely different associations with the same
card used for different people). It just sorta happens. But
that's what I am noticing now anyway... that a lot of the stuff
has been coming naturally, even from when I was a very young
child (such as herbs), but it is not done consciously. It is
very raw and crude... and I believe that opening up to it, tuning
into it, is a very useful exercise for me.
CinnamonMoon:
Awwwww Mouse you are sweet!
Thanks.
As for the card readings if you want
to start a new thread for that so we can keep the discussion
separate I'm all for swapping techniques. I've got a few of
them and that would make for great discussions here. Your technique
is not unknown to me. I have a friend that reads like that and
though she uses only certain cards, she uses them to open to.
I think any reader worth their salt is going to channel in some
fashion along those lines. It goes beyond just the cards themselves
(no matter what deck you use). In this method you've discussed
it's a matter of getting your focal and the rest flows. I've
done it myself. It depends on the "type" of reading
I'm giving. If I were to type up one of my general readings
it's usually several pages of information. I get a lot out of
them. The connection comes through your creating that willingness
to receive and opening up to it. That's the channel we talk
about. It begins to form slowly but as you work with it there
is greater ease and control.
I do as many as a dozen readings
in an average day and sometimes more. Initially I started with
only a couple a week. It's come a long way since then. You call
it a connection. I call it a channel. Semantics there. *Grins*
The images coming with the card is
your clairvoyant ability kicking in. The card makes sense and
yes, that they can be different for each person is what initially
had me running in all sorts of circles until I figured out how
that took place. For me putting down a spread is like opening
up a story book and I just tell the story feeling my way through
it with the images I get and the flood of feelings my Guides
send through me. They make me feel the situation with all senses
on high. I have strong empathy too so that adds in there as
well.
It can get to you so you do have
to watch for taking on the emotions and energies of others as
well. Sneaky stuff if you are doing heavy reading time. We all
read a bit differently too so go with the flow of what works
for you. If it's coming on its own naturally embrace it and
work with it as it will only become stronger and more accurate.
I'd argue it isn't done consciously because the awareness is
set when I go into a reading. I make the choice to open myself
wide up and take in the information I'm to share. But the filtering
is automatic, the process itself honed, and I'm intentionally
reading so quite conscious. I don't slip into a deep trance
on readings.
Mouse:
With channeling/connection semantics...
I didn't realize that that could be the same. Perhaps it is
that I am relatively new to the words used here at Spirit Lodge
and those at Shaman Sapience... and that English is a second
language for me. Interesting though, because I feel a hesitation/trepidation
to call it channeling. I recognize the empath aspect. If I can
say a single thing about myself, it is that I am an empath.
Have been
learning how to use that consciously, switch it off, shield,
cleanse, etc... since I was 17, when it was starting to totally
overwhelm me. I wrote a post on that in one of SEDD's empathy
threads at SS. I'll see if there are empathy threads here too,
and post there instead of going into it in this thread.
Thanks again
Cinn. Feels like I am constantly saying thank you to you. Your
words and your choice of words are very stimulating to me.
CinnamonMoon:
Channeling plays into any type of reading
you are going to do but you don't always need tools to trigger
it and that's what this thread was about but we didn't get to
that which is okay. If it comes up again or someone wants to
follow that train of thought we can.
Let me see if I can define it briefly
for you. To simply (and it's not being underrated here) channel
you must open to receive. In that process thoughts and feelings
wash through your mind and body and you are "impressed"
with them. Sometimes that's all that comes through and at other
times you'll receive clear messages that should always be delivered
word for word and taken literally. In essence it's like sensing
your way through a card reading but without the cards to trigger
the insight. For that reason I was saying it's pretty much semantics
and insight is gained through relatively the same process.
I was hoping people would describe
how they opened up and what kinds of impressions they get to
share the information received. Ah well. *S*
As an empath you can understand what
mediumship is like and it's good to hear you've worked with
shielding. That's a huge stumbling block for a lot of people.
Please feel free to start a thread on any topic that interests
you.
There's no need to keep thanking
me. We're all friends and just sharing with one another. I'm
not formal at all, just one of the crowd here LOL. Like I said,
if you want to take this topic further you're welcome to start
a thread on reading cards. I'm all for it.
Desertrose,
Hi
Cinn, It meant so much to me to hear your story and brought
up thousands of questions and remembering so I like to stick
to the subject here and suggest that we move the card-discussion
to a new topic - OK?
You
must have been a very special/unusual child and like me and
my son saying things which are strange for a child to say. How
did your parents react to that? Mine sort of shook their head
"kids!" and though they were aware I was different
from my sisters and therefore treated differently,
but never respected.
Still
today my family say "Yeah but you´ve always had a
weird way of seeing things" so mostly I keep my mouth shut.
School
time was hell. I was somehow different so I was mopped from
day one ( once I was hanged out from a window on second floor)
How
did you manage follow the path. Did you have someone to support
you and stand up for you. I suddenly remembered that when I
was 0-2/3 years I could read minds and understood things and
made decisions quite unusual, but the feeling of not belonging
and loneliness made me spend almost 30 years trying to be normal
and do what "normal" people do. "Go with the
flow" needs a lot of guts.
I get
scared, though it feels great. When I started to really open
up, people around me made me believe I was insane and along
the way I´ve had to deal with "people pointing fingers"
at me. But since 92 I been lucky always meeting someone to support
me when I was about to give up. I´m really glad I moved
away because I was fed up as being the "village-loony",
but maybe Americans are not so narrow minded as here.
I soon
learned not to speak when I receive something. If needed I write
it down and hide it. I do a lot of automatic writing especially
here, but I feel this place is somehow protected, so I´m
not afraid of posting it.
Your
story amazes me, I´d really wish you would tell more.
It comforts me and reassure me to hear what others have been
through. Í´ve been suffering from many unpleasant
feelings (latest anxiety-attacks) and uncertainty and mistaking
so it´s a relief to hear I´m not the only one. I
thought you wanted to keep your story private as that´s
not the case please tell.
I bless
the guide who moved my fingers across the keyboard into this
place. It´s a mystery how I found you, I just remember
I felt "high"
Mouse:
“I was hoping people would
describe how they opened up and what kinds of impressions they
get to share the information received. Ah well.”
Let me give it a try then... How do
I open to being receptive... I first notice that there is a
question on my mind, and that it is requiring my attention.
Some questions sort of just sit there, others are more demanding,
as if they "want out". When in contact with someone
else, I have the same thing... Usually if they come for help,
or have a problem and just want to "spill" and use
me as a sounding board, I sit there with them, letting them
talk, I notice a question arising within me, I give it some
attention, and usually that question can either be asked directly
to the other person, or they answer the question just because
conversation gets there (perhaps even because I picked up the
question they dropped, held it in the light and mirrored it
to them subconsciously... something about which I have been
wondering on and off). But sometimes a question sort of "asks"
for Spirit's insight. So I let that question come up, I play
around with the form of the question for a while, until
the question (or focus) feels clear.
Once that question has been formed,
I either stand in front of my shelf of books/cards, or visualize
it, and see which one speaks to me at that moment. If cards
speak to me, I hold them, let them play through my fingers until
it feels that they are one with me, I sometimes feel it as though
my hands are no longer searching the cards but caressing them.
Then, depending on the cards I am using, I either shuffle them
lightly and focus on the question (focus is off of the cards),
until one of the cards (sometimes two) sort of leap out. Then
I determine whether I feel urged to either read the book about
it or go with my own interpretation. If it is a book that drew
my attention, I either let the book fall open on a certain page,
or I have a number in my mind which might correspond with a
page, and then I let my eyes tell me which sentence or paragraph
or perhaps chapter, is wanting attention. Sometimes it is simply
the image on the front of a book that is what is needed.
I don't always do this for the other
person. Sometimes I just quickly do it for myself, so that I
may have a focus for listening through "Spirit's ears"
at what the other person is saying. Sometimes it gives me the
right focus to ask a question which suddenly illuminates the
situation for the other. Sometimes I just "jump up"
midsentence after I get an image of a book or of a set of cards,
I ask the other person to give me a number (with my cards for
instance, there are 72 cards,... with books there might be up
to 200 pages) and I go get that, see what corresponds with that
number and just get on with it. My friends know that I do this
and take it as a personal quirk.
For myself, I take it as it comes.
Sometimes I need to shed some light on something and I let it
come to me (book, cards, even music or lyrics)... but only after
I have clearly formed a question or focus. If that hasn't been
done, I seem to get "shards" of info... I find myself
singing a particular line in a song over and over, or I keep
noticing a certain word everywhere, or three people use the
same word which isn't common in daily life (and that could be
people just walking past while in town, or a word caught on
a radio channel). I see that as synchronicity that is helping
me form a question or focus.
How do I know it is Spirit? It is
instantaneous, it feels unmovable, it feels like a missing link
of a puzzle, it sheds instant light. I feel an inner conviction
about conveying the message, in which I don't have to use my
head. It feels very solid and sound. I tend to feel somewhat
insecure about "head-knowledge" or even Ego, since
I am so cautious of not letting Ego take over... but when these
messages come, I just feel 100% sure, there is no hesitation.
As for images that accompany a card
or text, I haven't found the key to those yet. Sometimes they
are there, sometimes they aren't. I tend to use them as symbolic
associations. Sometimes I feel called to relate the image, sometimes
I feel it relates to something I need to be aware of for myself.
Usually when something relates to me personally, I also feel
a physical location that draws my attention. I combine the two
of them, and sometimes it is a call for more "neutrality"
(to let me know which part of me is at risk of becoming involved
in it... usually then there is a message there for both the
other person and myself!). Sometimes it is just something to
take along in the conversation.
I don't sit down and "do a spread"
for others. That doesn't feel right to me. It is something that
happens in passing while
doing something else... a moment, a flash, and then we carry
on with what we were doing or totally shift gears.
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