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By 2CrowWoman

Reading everyone's discussion on Ouija boards started me thinking about negative entities and the darker sides of things. I didn't want to pop any question on the forums that might offend or lead to stress/negativity so I checked with Cinnamon first. Cinn thought it might be the start of a very useful discussion, so here goes! The reason behind it is I've had personal dealings with people following dark paths over the years and at one stage I could have really done with advice on how to protect myself from negative forces and had no-one to ask. Got me wondering. What if others out there ever get into similar situations? Where do you find help/advice?

I lived behind a black witch who used to try to pester/unnerve me when I was in my teens. She managed to shake me up a lot and I really had no-one to ask advice of back then. My knowledge was rather limited. Seemed like the only time you got any mention of stuff like this in a Church situation they'd tell you to avoid it or pray. Avoidance isn't always possible. Praying is a good idea, I've used that once and it really worked, but sometimes you can find yourself in situations where a bit more information or advice would be helpful. During my 20s I ended up involved once again when we had problems in my neighborhood with a satanic group. That time it reached a stage of mild hysteria in our suburb with only my mom and I being the sane ones who saw how silly people were getting. When people don't understand something they can really start to rev themselves up, something the darker side enjoys as that's what it feeds off - all the negative emotions, but especially fear, anger and ignorance.

Then later I ended up being more personally involved after a family member, my youngest cousin, chose this path. I've suspected that she's been dabbling in such stuff since she was 13, but wasn't able to ask or do anything about it due to other circumstances. Two years ago I met a friend-of-a-friend who is setting herself up for problems by going to the opposite extreme. She's very into "New Age" ideas. She firmly believes there is no such thing as Darkness, that everything is Good and everything happens to teach us and help us grow. It's a lovely thought, but I was very worried when she started using this idea as her basis when she tries to channel spirits. She never protects herself. No cleansing, nothing. Just like some people with an Ouija board only in this case she's offering up herself as the tool. Since she's convinced everything is Good she just opens herself up and put out the WELCOME mat to her soul. Yes, I've tried talking to her about it, but she just said I'm not enlightened enough to understand, that I haven't reached her level of consciousness yet. Mmm... that was a time where this Crow did some serious beak-clamping to avoid saying something that might be regretted later! And my cousin? Well, she's 22 now and no longer a kid. She's moved out on her own I had been seeing more of her before I left South Africa. Seeing enough to know she's getting into things that are messing up her life.

Once when she got angry with me after I pointed out a few things about her work record (she was fired seven times in 2002 for having a bad attitude) I had a "visitor" that night. Something about the size of a cat that bounced and ran all over me in bed trying to scare me. In the past that would have scared the h*** out of me, but I'd experienced enough by that time to handle it. I was too cross to be scared. I surrounded myself in light and it left right away. Crabby said afterwards I should have rather used the light to zap it's dark butt with a few lightning bolts. :gun1 He's less tolerant of dark entities. He just wants to bite them, Badger style! LOL I've tried talking to her, but she just denies it or blocks me out. In the end I've had to accept and walk away and hope that if my cousin ever does reach a stage where she needs help she'll be able to find it. She doesn't see that this "power" she's so smug about isn't hers. It's not something that's feeding her spirit, it's something that's feeding OFF her spirit. To me that's the big give-away sign between good energy/entities and dark ones. If you're involved with something that drains and takes from you as much as it gives you power then you're mixing in "bad company". Gifts from Creator/Spirit are always just that - GIFTS - no strings attached. Well, that's the way I see it anyhow.

Note: Cinnamon Moon has a great article on “The Ego of the Dark Path” (Main section) which I'd highly recommend as first reading for anyone with concerns in this area.

EaglesHand:
2CrowWoman - Thank you for bringing up this question! “The reason behind it is I've had personal dealings with people following dark paths over the years and at one stage I could have really done with advice on how to protect myself from negative forces and had no-one to ask. Got me wondering. What if others out there ever get into similar situations? Where do you find help/advice?” I know for myself there have been times when I was confronted by these dark entities and ended being made miserable by their energy. When I was young I had no one to talk to about what was happening... even trying to talk about such occurrences would just get me strange stares, blank looks, or worse... questions about my sanity! In more recent times I have had good friends who understand about these things and they have been wonderful sources of information and support. And now I also have the community of Spirit Lodge to ask for guidance and information. Over the years though I have come up with and learned ways of detecting these entities relatively quickly (i.e. it took me 14 years to realize my ex-husband was as toxic as he is... but it only took me 4 months to realize my now ex housemate was also toxic in many of the same ways ). There are some individuals that I recognize very quickly are not health folk to be around so the relationship never gets beyond the "hi, how are you" stage .... other folks seem OK, or very nice, or even "Wow, what a wonderful person" at first meeting but over time I begin to notice patterns of behavior in them and in me that signal trouble. For me warning signs include: 1-always feeling tired or drained when I leave a particular person's presence 2-experience the other person as intrusive, "nosy", judgmental, or always super needy (i.e. always putting their needs first no matter what else might be going on) 3-having "fix it" thoughts about the person- i.e. me wondering, thinking, planning how I could

"fix" the other person - this is a bad trait as it indicates judgmentalness on my part- something I am not proud of. 4-finding myself becoming prickly, defensive, or grumpy when in the other's presence- as that is not my general nature this is particularly telling 5-finding myself being evasive or withdrawn with the other person, being unable or unwilling to be direct with him or her, and becoming unwilling to share even day to day feelings and experience much less soul-deep thoughts and emotions 6-having strange or frightening dreams where this other person or a representation of them plays a major part. 7-having an increase in illnesses such as headaches, stomach aches, colds, or just generally feeling blah 8-having feelings of suspiciousness about the other person's actions and/or motives... Just because you're paranoid does not mean someone is not out to get you. LOL (I recently found out that the ex-housemate has been telling one of our coworkers that she thinks I am a Satanist because of my using smudge and because I like to drum and dance under the full moon ??????) Basically it comes down to being mindful of the undercurrents of any relationship, keeping one's danger radar on, and trusting one's gut instincts.

2CrowWoman:
Hi EaglesHand, Excellent list.

Gosh, you got me remembering a whole stream of toxic people there that I'd forgotten about. The "drainers" and the "needy" are those that personally make me run for the hills. I've had too many experiences with both types and tend to bolt instinctively now when I meet either.

My aunt's a drainer that eventually sucked her ex-husband into a last (of several) fatal heart attack. Never under estimate a drainer! They seem so bland and even sweet, but they can suck you dry and destroy you given enough time.

The worst "needy" I ever met was the mother of a girl I used to tutor. We became friends over time and she'd invite me over for tea now and then. She seemed a nice woman, but she was very fretful and highly strung. Everything got her panicky and anxious and you were constantly having to soothe and calm her down, which was very tiring.

Anyway, one day whilst I was there a big thunderstorm blew up. Her three daughters, all under 10, got very scared at the thunder and lightning. So this woman called them all to her and had her arms around the oldest two. All of them, including her, screaming and crying every time there was lightning or thunder rumbled. Total hysterics from all of them. The youngest daughter ran over to me since her mom was occupied in screaming and crying with her two sisters.

I got down on the floor and told her that thunder was just clouds rubbing against each other. Just like when I'd seen her at her sister's party rubbing tow balloons together to make them squeek. She stopped crying and started asking me questions about lightning and rainbows and we got into a chat on how these things were perfectly natural and not to be scared of. I glanced up at one time and the mother was GLARING at me. Total rage!! I was stunned. She was actually angry that I'd calmed her daughter down and stopped her crying!

That was kind of the end of our friendship. I kept in contact with the eldest daughter I tutored for about a year longer, but visiting them as a friend of their mom petered out after that. She realized I wasn't the type to put up with her hysterics. I often wonder how those kids grew up. They'd all be in their 20s now. I hope they survived their mom's hysteria or find ways to deal with it.

My mom once commented that she would have liked some house cleansing ideas to "freshen up" a home after you have people like that over. You know how it is, there's those toxic people you can't avoid having in your home because they're related to you or married to someone you like/care about. So you get stuck with them in your house and when they leave you feel like even the house is ready to pass out from mental/emotional overload!

I suppose smudging would be good, but I wonder if anyone uses any other ideas. I'd be interested in those.

Thinking about you list and the people I remember I'd say that they come in a range of "toxic" from 1 to 10.

1 - those people that leave you irritable or down without any particular reason. Just a niggly faint annoying feeling.

to 10 - those people you don't even want to look at let alone talk to.

On the 10 level I knew a guy years ago that I couldn't look in the eye. He was into some very dark stuff and when he'd come into the library where I worked I'd try to avoid having to do his books as he made my hair stand on end. The feeling he gave me was that I wanted to be invisible around him. I didn't want him looking into my eyes because I knew he'd see that I knew what he was. I didn't want that kind of recognition. Too much like being a deer under a spotlight in hunting season!

Being able to make yourself less visible is also a good trick if you can manage it. I never knew that back then.

I must add that I have noticed that the same list of types you put up applies online as well. I've met a fair range of toxic interneters as well. They've sometimes been easier to pick up on, maybe because you aren't distracted by physical appearance? Maybe. My number 10 guy was stunningly handsome and I was the only one that picked up he was seriously toxic. All the other female library staff fell over their feet to fuss around him because he looked like a model for one of those expensive men's colognes. He was beautiful to look at and so they never looked any deeper.

Now on the internet you don't get those distractions so maybe what we are shows up quicker?

Unless you're a really, REALLY, good liar I think most of us, quite unconsciously, show our true natures when we write online.

Frater Anhur:
HMMMMMM.....I thought I'd add a word or two from my own experience with Dark "entities" of the Astral. Something I would like to say about 2CrowWoman's comment regarding her "witchy neighbor" not using any banishing or cleansing before channel spirits...In my opinion, which is also the opinion of various authors and experts on High Magick that I have encountered (yes...MR CROWLEY INCLUDED!) believe this activity to be the worst kind of heresy, Black Magick in the truest sense as they, and I, understand it. The "medium" (that is all this person can really be considered as, for there is no control over what comes in or out of the "witch"...) opens him/herself up to anything in his/her vicinity on the astral, and normally one is surrounded by the astral junk of the lower sub-conscious, the empty shells of nightmares, obsessions, un-formed astral spirits and intelligences, that occupy the lower planes of the Astral Light, and thus making body and mind open to possession.

Invocation of a GOD or ANGEL is something wholly different as you all might now, they are pure and perfect form. This is why any practitioner of theurgy worth his/her salt will use a banishing technique before and after astral working and meditation, thus prohibiting anything less that the pure and perfect Astral Light to enter within his/her consciousness, unless She so desires for these lesser entities to be invoked. This would serve very little purpose as no benefit can be found in the astral junk of the darker planes. No divine knowledge can be found therein. It is darkness!

Evocation of dark entities is another matter. To bring the lesser devils and demons of the Lower Astral to visible appearance outside a banished sphere of protection, and them bring them under the superior WILL of the MAGE, through the guiding authority of his HOLY GUARDIAN ANGEL, is to master the thought-forms of the lower self. Mastery over these demons is mastery of one's own mind, they are the impure, unformed and undesired thoughts, compulsions, obsessions, imprints and conditioning hidden from sight in the sub-conscious mind of the MAGE. To see the dark entities of another person running wild, as some here have witnessed personally, is the sign of a wholly irresponsible practitioner of Astral work, or to be more precise, BLACK MAGICK. It serves no good to mankind, to does nothing good at all. It is JUNK!!! and the poor soul who is responsible, due to the fact that the universe balances everything evenly within itself, will receive "karmic return" but will probably not see it due to the obsessions that have filled the tortured mind, thus being seen by others as moods, compulsions, obsessions, perversions, etc...

If demons and spirits are uncontrolled, these impure citizens of the lower plane of the sub-conscious will run wild, then they could easily be, and perhaps not intentionally, sent to scare and hurt others.

As far as protecting oneself from such destructive thought-forms or entities, a banishing for some sort may be considered necessary. But this should be done on the astral also, invoking the purest of essences to enforce the circle of protection so that no entity lower may cross, and are sent fleeing from the clean sphere within the consciousness of the Magician. I read a book on this subject by Dion Fortune, a member of the original Golden Dawn Tradition, that is entitled "Psychic Self-Defense". (or something like that...) It provides interesting techniques to repel psychic attack, although this is believed to be a rare thing. Most of time, I have experienced these as unintentional, merely being projected without the conscious knowledge of the individual.

2CrowWoman:
Hi Fratur Anhur, You make some interesting points. Thanks for the input.

One thing though - you muddled two different people there. The person who opened herself to channeling without protection was a friend's friend and a New-Ager (for want of a better "label") She doesn't believe in darkness. The "witchy neighbor" was a black witch who was rumored to have led a satanic coven in our town. From personal experience I'd say those rumors were probably true.

I would agree with you and your "experts" opinion that channeling without protection is dumb in the dumbest form.

I have my doubts about the "evocation of dark entities" though. What's the point? As you say yourself, to be in communication/contact with a god or angelic entity holds far more pure power and is, ultimately, a far more progressive experience. Although it is possible to control dark creatures I can't see any purpose to that other than negative ones. It's not like they'll obey you because they have your best interests at heart. They'll obey you out of fear only. So.. if that fear ever was to crumble? It would be like the difference between someone who has a good relationship with a loved pet and a lion tamer in the circus. The pet owner gets his furry friend to obey, do tricks and protect him out of mutual bonds of love. The lion-tamer uses fear and power, but any time the lion can sense this power wobbling he will attack and gobble the lion-tamer for tea! I think I'd rather be in a situation where I don't have to keep my whip and chair ready 24 hours a day.

I was once offered tuition to travel on a path of power. Not immoral, but definitely amoral. Pure power is very tempting to some, personally it's not my thing and it wasn't hard to turn the offer down. The only reason I bring this up is that I now know that the "teacher" has serious problems in their life even though their psychic abilities are phenomenal. So even on a path based on a concept of Power above "good and evil" there can be dangers in laying yourself too open to spiritual destruction. It's all cause and effect I suppose, from Science to Spirituality.

“To see the dark entities of another person running wild, as some here have witnessed personally, is the sign of a wholly irresponsible practitioner of Astral work, or to be more precise, BLACK MAGICK. It serves no good to mankind, to does nothing good at all. It is JUNK!!! and the poor soul who is responsible, due to the fact that the universe balances everything evenly within itself, will receive "karmic return" but will probably not see it due to the obsessions that have filled the tortured mind, thus being seen by others as moods, compulsions, obsessions, perversions, etc...”

Very well said! I wish I could send that to my cousin, but I don't know if she would be ready to hear it.

“Most of time, I have experienced these as unintentional, merely being projected without the conscious knowledge of the individual.”

Yes, I have no doubt that the creature that came from her anger was uncontrolled and unintentional. She was struggling to hide the anger and that's probably why it "leaked out" the way it did. Whatever she sent was a pretty minor "nasty beastie" as it went without a squeak when I told it to. My cousin was trying to be manipulative at the time and I wasn't falling for it, hence her anger. She's used to getting her own way and doesn't handle "no" at all. Thanks again. Your replies have been very helpful.

Frater Anhur:
Hello 2Crow Woman, Sorry about mixing up the identities of the individuals you mentioned in your previous post, my memory can be considered rather poor at this time, for reasons all too obvious (to me)!

I understand your point regarding the evocation of spirits. I fear though, that I have profaned this ART somewhat in my own small understanding and ignorance resulting from my lack of experience on the matter. Dabbling is one thing, but 30 years of experience is something else entirely...I believe it all comes down to what these spirits are? Something to be removed? Or...as I like to think...a demon headed tiger mask for a big eyed kitten, who, through conditioning on already unstable imprints, has been to look like a monster and needs to be tamed and made to heal along the path of the Higher Self. An arachnophobic may see a spider as a ghastly beast, horrid, vile and dangerous, but the biologist may see the beauty of nature, the incredible specializing power of nature, a unique and beautiful little angel essence called Spider! Thanks for sharing your opinions once more, they are always greatly appreciated.

2CrowWoman:
Hi Fratur, No problems with the mix up. I tend to speed read myself and that brings its own problems. I don't muddle or forget, I just overlook complete chunks of relevant information! It's a bad habit so now I try to read a person's post twice before replying to make sure I have got the whole story.

Interesting point about the spirits. I would agree with it to a certain degree. I do suspect that a lot of "things" that roar in the dark look a LOT smaller (and more sheepish) when you shine a bright light on them.

WolfSpirit:
Hey, Great topic Crow! I’m rushing through tonight, but one thing Fratur said really pricked my ears up as it is something i have often wondered:

“Invocation of a GOD or ANGEL is something wholly different as you all might now, they are pure and perfect form.”

How does one know that a god or angel energy is actually what one is encountering? Just a thought....

CinnamonMoon:
The higher energy forms feel *lighter* warm, loving, and good. The Dark energy forms feel *heavy* cold, challenging and bad. It's in the energy signature.

2CrowWoman:
Last week I remembered something rather disturbing.

When I was in my teens and twenties the black witch who lived behind us used to send her cats around to pester me. Well, it was always only one cat, but over the years she had a series of cats, always replacing the "old" one with a new one. Why the old ones vanished I don't know, but they were always extremely aggressive and wild so it's possible they weren't looked after and died as a result. They all killed and ate the birds in our yard and went through our garbage for scraps so I'd definitely say she didn't feed them properly.

Anyway.. they were nasty bunch on the whole. I've always got on well with animals. I've made friends with three animals labelled as "delinquents" and vicious, but I never ever managed to make a friend out of any of her cats.

During the day whichever cat was in power at that time would spend it in our back yard killing birds and fighting/chasing other cats. At night they'd sometimes chase/fight cats, but most other cats gave our area a wide berth at night after a few encounters with them. Mostly what her cats would do at night is watch me.

Now I always thought this started in my late teens/twenties, but I think it might have been earlier. You see, as a young teen I had a bedroom in the main house, which was an upstairs room. Later I moved into a back room that was kind of meant to be an add-on flatlet and this room was ground level. All the time I was in that room I had to have my window closed as the cats would try to get in. Even with the window closed they'd spend the night sitting on the window ledge watching me. It used to give me the creeps. I'd wake up at night and there'd be the cat just sitting there on the ledge staring and staring.

This never happened in the upstairs room, but it couldn't really as the ledge was too high and too narrow. Even birds found it hard to sit on the window rim. But I've remembered something odd. When I was in the upstairs room I used to have nightmares about cats coming into my room through the open window. The disturbing part is this - in all the dreams they attacked me and I killed them. I remembered recently because I was deboning a chicken for dinner. I was struggling with the leg joint and forced it apart. It made a horrible crunchy sound that I recognized instantly. The sound and feeling was like those dreams. I'd either broken the cat's neck or forced its jaws apart when it was biting me. The same noise and sensation. YUCK!

I've never deboned a chicken joint before so I'd never had the sound/feeling to remind me before. I usually buy the deboned breasts, but they had these legs on a special and you know a woman and a bargain... Now I can't help wondering if the dream cats and the real cats were connected in some way.

Anyone got any ideas/feelings?

WolfSpirit:
Crow, Our dreamtime is when we resolve issues that our conscious mind cannot resolve. Could it be that the dreams were your way of resolving the feelings that these cats brought you?

It sounds like you were making a choice to destroy what you perceived to be evil?

As you know, lessons return in different forms - are you being asked to seek Light on some subject at this time? To again destroy something that you perceive to be evil - or just to challenge your perceptions of evil at this time? Is something you consider evil, or something that creates a sense of fear within you as those cats perhaps did, asking you to challenge your perception of it?

Only you can tell in the end - but I just thought I'd add my interpretation..

2CrowWoman:
Wolfie, Not sure... At the time of the dreams I really never thought much about the cat (that was the original, he lived the longest) or who owned him. We were new to the house and it took us a few years to figure out where the cat came from etc. I'd say it was just the sound of the chicken bones snapping that triggered the memory, but your question about fear is interesting. For various reasons I've been pretty high on the fear meter for about a year or so now and the last month has been very bad so the fear thing does fit. Thanks.

WolfSpirit:
Crow, If the cats came after the dream, was there something else that, if you were to look back now, you could see that was a concern to you at the time you had these dreams?

It could be something as simple as the house move: you say you had not been in the house long before these dreams started: I had a hard time when I moved from a small primary school to a large comprehensive: change can sometimes effect children in ways adults cannot understand. Ok the house move may not be the answer - it was just an example of something "else" going on that may have triggered the cat dreams...

Quite often when we are struggling with something we need an external focus to "blame" our reactions on: the cats may have become that focus particularly after the dreams…Just trying to look at things from a different perspective...turning things around a little...

EaglesHand:
Crow-For what it's worth I'll add my $.02 worth. I think that even at a young age you were a very sensitive person- sensitive to the emotional under currents around you- sensitive to the energies as well. I suspect that you "knew" on some unconscious level that the "witch" who lived near you was someone to be wary of. Your dreams about the cats attacking you and you killing them may have been your unconscious mind fighting off the negative energies that surrounded that individual. She probably had cats as her familiar and "sent" them to your yard to hunt... and to intimidate you on an unconscious level.... And she may also have "sent" them, mentally, to haunt your dreams. For ones who practice dark arts, a young person of power and talent such as yours would be very attractive. They would want to possess or take that power for themselves or would want to "seduce you to the dark side". (Sorry if this sounds too much like Star Wars- it's hard to know what words to use to describe such experiences and such processes ).

You were protecting yourself and fighting a very good and effective fight against being drawing into the "witch's" web of lies and negative energies. Even at that age you knew who you are and what you are all about... even if you were not able to articulate it at the time. When faced with a being or force that is attacking you, your choices are to run away, lie down, give up and die, or fight back and over power the attacker. You knew what to do in your dreams to protect yourself and destroy the attacker.

What are your dreams telling you these days about the current fears? Do you unconsciously know what needs to be done to take care of the source of those fears? I suspect you do.

2CrowWoman:
Hi Wolfie, “something "else" going on that may have triggered the cat dreams...” It's an interesting thought, but gut feeling is no. I've had dreams that fitted the title "stress related", but these were different. Eagleshand, Thank you. Your words make sense and feel "right", considering other things that happened related to the "dark side" neighbor. (Star Wars has it's good points! LOL) Yes, she definitely was very aware of me always. Back then I had no idea why, I just wanted her to leave me alone and be invisible. So what you say not only makes sense, it kind of justifies feelings I had at the time and later.

“When faced with a being or force that is attacking you, your choices are to run away, lie down, give up and die, or fight back and over power the attacker. You knew what to do in your dreams to protect yourself and destroy the attacker.” It's rather a relief to know that even before I knew I had any abilities I knew how to use them to set up protective boundaries.

“What are your dreams telling you these days about the current fears? Do you unconsciously know what needs to be done to take care of the source of those fears? I suspect you do.” Yes, I am having dreams about my fears, but adult world fears are a lot more tricky than dark force ones. Wish I could just kick butt this time too! Problems this time revolve mostly around finances and bills and the dull old red tape of everyday life. this time I know what's wrong very clearly, it's the not finding a way to fix it that's giving me the fear. Thank you for the hugs and light. They are greatly appreciated.

SilverEagleDreamDancer:
Dark entities.... I got a simple view on ‘em - feel around ‘em - squish ‘em. There's no playing footsies with them, no figuring them out... Squish first, ask questions later.

2CrowWoman:
LOL That's Crabby Badger's opinion too.

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